When it is time to call it quits?

[ALASKA]

And is it true that J-Zone has a fucking day job?

if one can get a day job wearing matching basketball shirt and short outfits from the 1995 ebay catalogue.

[SYM]

pretty sure he works at a high school as a coach or something like our very own primetime, could be wrong though.

[Mindbender Futurama]

And is it true that J-Zone has a fucking day job?

dude is waaaaaaaay too talented to not be able to make it somewhere in this music shizz.

sad if true. unless he hates the industry now (which might make sense for him, he never played by the rules)

hella peace to J-Zone, reeeegardless

[Employee]

And is it true that J-Zone has a fucking day job?

dude is waaaaaaaay too talented to not be able to make it somewhere in this music shizz.

sad if true. unless he hates the industry now (which might make sense for him, he never played by the rules)

hella peace to J-Zone, reeeegardless

Guy makes the illest beats.

[Lamont Coleman]

I Gut A Spleet Persuneleety:

Zee Furst Me-a Iz Tha Reeleest, Vhu Understundz Thet He-a Joost Vun't Meke-a Uny Cent Oooot Oof Ell Thees Reppeen' Sheet Und, Zeereffure-a, Stoodeeez Feenunce-a 'N' Icunumeecz Et A Uneefersity Knooeen' He-a Veell Get A Supheesticeted 9 Tu 5 By Heez Gredooeshun...

Zee Oozeer Me-a Iz Thet Ideeuticelly Crezy Delooseeunel Mutheffoocke' Vhu Trooly Beleeefez He-a Veell Shuut Tu Zee Sterdum Und Meelliun Duller Checkz Oone-a Dey, Und Be-a Ez Greetest Ez Pec 'N' B.I.G. - Noo He'z Zee Oone-a Vhu Joost Mekez Me-a Gueen' 'N' Flooeen', U KnooootImseyeen'? I Dun't Theenk Thet Zee Ege-a Shuoold Be-a A Leemit - Iff U're-a Yuoong In Ur Heert 'N' Suool Zeen U Cun Du Ur Theeng Ifee Beeen' Un 80 Yeer Oold Greet Grundpa, Voot'z Tha Beeg Deel?

Luuk @ Oonyx - Zeem Gooyz Iz Elmust 40 Boot Zeey Steell Slemmeen' 'N' Veeldin' @ Zeeur Shooz Leeke-a Beck In Tha Deyz. Und Beffure-a I Seegn Oooot, I Vunna Shere-a Oone-a Theeng I'fe-a Nuteeced:

Heep Hup Deeez Oooot Oonly Veet Zee Persun It Leefez In. Ez Lung Ez U Eleefe-a, U Vun't Stup Reppeen' (Oonce-a U Reelly Gut Oon It, Ooff Cuoorse-a), Vhezeer In Zee Buut, Oon Zee Stege-a Oor Joost Elune-a In Ur Leefin' Ruum.

Bork Bork Bork!

So How Many Dayz Did U Spend To Come Up With Such A Masterpiece? Maybe I Should Send U Some Money To Recover Ur Tyme Cuz Dat'z Exactly Tha Way I Intended To Write In Tha First Place.

[CasOne]

I Gut A Spleet Persuneleety:

Zee Furst Me-a Iz Tha Reeleest, Vhu Understundz Thet He-a Joost Vun't Meke-a Uny Cent Oooot Oof Ell Thees Reppeen' Sheet Und, Zeereffure-a, Stoodeeez Feenunce-a 'N' Icunumeecz Et A Uneefersity Knooeen' He-a Veell Get A Supheesticeted 9 Tu 5 By Heez Gredooeshun...

Zee Oozeer Me-a Iz Thet Ideeuticelly Crezy Delooseeunel Mutheffoocke' Vhu Trooly Beleeefez He-a Veell Shuut Tu Zee Sterdum Und Meelliun Duller Checkz Oone-a Dey, Und Be-a Ez Greetest Ez Pec 'N' B.I.G. - Noo He'z Zee Oone-a Vhu Joost Mekez Me-a Gueen' 'N' Flooeen', U KnooootImseyeen'? I Dun't Theenk Thet Zee Ege-a Shuoold Be-a A Leemit - Iff U're-a Yuoong In Ur Heert 'N' Suool Zeen U Cun Du Ur Theeng Ifee Beeen' Un 80 Yeer Oold Greet Grundpa, Voot'z Tha Beeg Deel?

Luuk @ Oonyx - Zeem Gooyz Iz Elmust 40 Boot Zeey Steell Slemmeen' 'N' Veeldin' @ Zeeur Shooz Leeke-a Beck In Tha Deyz. Und Beffure-a I Seegn Oooot, I Vunna Shere-a Oone-a Theeng I'fe-a Nuteeced:

Heep Hup Deeez Oooot Oonly Veet Zee Persun It Leefez In. Ez Lung Ez U Eleefe-a, U Vun't Stup Reppeen' (Oonce-a U Reelly Gut Oon It, Ooff Cuoorse-a), Vhezeer In Zee Buut, Oon Zee Stege-a Oor Joost Elune-a In Ur Leefin' Ruum.

Bork Bork Bork!

So How Many Dayz Did U Spend To Come Up With Such A Masterpiece? Maybe I Should Send U Some Money To Recover Ur Tyme Cuz Dat'z Exactly Tha Way I Intended To Write In Tha First Place.

[Employee]

I Gut A Spleet Persuneleety:

Zee Furst Me-a Iz Tha Reeleest, Vhu Understundz Thet He-a Joost Vun't Meke-a Uny Cent Oooot Oof Ell Thees Reppeen' Sheet Und, Zeereffure-a, Stoodeeez Feenunce-a 'N' Icunumeecz Et A Uneefersity Knooeen' He-a Veell Get A Supheesticeted 9 Tu 5 By Heez Gredooeshun...

Zee Oozeer Me-a Iz Thet Ideeuticelly Crezy Delooseeunel Mutheffoocke' Vhu Trooly Beleeefez He-a Veell Shuut Tu Zee Sterdum Und Meelliun Duller Checkz Oone-a Dey, Und Be-a Ez Greetest Ez Pec 'N' B.I.G. - Noo He'z Zee Oone-a Vhu Joost Mekez Me-a Gueen' 'N' Flooeen', U KnooootImseyeen'? I Dun't Theenk Thet Zee Ege-a Shuoold Be-a A Leemit - Iff U're-a Yuoong In Ur Heert 'N' Suool Zeen U Cun Du Ur Theeng Ifee Beeen' Un 80 Yeer Oold Greet Grundpa, Voot'z Tha Beeg Deel?

Luuk @ Oonyx - Zeem Gooyz Iz Elmust 40 Boot Zeey Steell Slemmeen' 'N' Veeldin' @ Zeeur Shooz Leeke-a Beck In Tha Deyz. Und Beffure-a I Seegn Oooot, I Vunna Shere-a Oone-a Theeng I'fe-a Nuteeced:

Heep Hup Deeez Oooot Oonly Veet Zee Persun It Leefez In. Ez Lung Ez U Eleefe-a, U Vun't Stup Reppeen' (Oonce-a U Reelly Gut Oon It, Ooff Cuoorse-a), Vhezeer In Zee Buut, Oon Zee Stege-a Oor Joost Elune-a In Ur Leefin' Ruum.

Bork Bork Bork!

So How Many Dayz Did U Spend To Come Up With Such A Masterpiece? Maybe I Should Send U Some Money To Recover Ur Tyme Cuz Dat'z Exactly Tha Way I Intended To Write In Tha First Place.

[360]

Jay Electronica is about to enter this thread and body both sides of the argument.

[maclethal]

Forgive me if my first post came off as hokey or defensive. I wasn't frowning on having a normal job. My girlfriend has a normal job. I may end up with a normal job at some point. And sure, not everyone desires to tour and make music. Working a job, getting a nice check, and going home and forgetting about it has it's appeal too. I have to spend 24 hours a day calculating my next move. It requires a lot. There really isn't time off. Even downtime is spent organizing thoughts and creative ideas.

I put a lot of energy into music. I am pretty prolific, and dedicate a lot to recording, touring, and merching. If it no longer works, one day, I will have no problem putting all of that energy into something else. Yes, I will have to start at square one again. But fuck it. I know how hard I work when I become dedicated to something. The risk is worth it. The nice thing is, we are already mapping out ideas that are independent of the music business.

In the next year, one of our immediate plans, is to open a liquor store (that will double as a label office too). It will be very focused on high-end beer. And luckily, that is another passion of mine, so I won't have a problem loving my work, loving the products we sell, and being able to accommodate the customers. I may know more about Founder's brewery, or various trappistes, trippels and cask aged stouts than I do mixtapes anyways.

I guess my biggest thing is loving what you do. I agree with Alaska, if it is no longer fun, and not even generating income, then quit. But it sucks when people seem to only make music because they hope to make a lot of money at it one day. It's obviously not that black and white. Compromise has many different shades.

[Philaflava]

Jay Electronica is about to enter this thread and body both sides of the argument.

When I was sleepin on the train,
sleepin on Meserole Ave out in the rain
without even a single slice of pizza to my name
too proud to beg for change mastering the pain

[Philaflava]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

[360]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

Indeed, and he didn't even really come out until he was 34

[Career Over Like Mike(NJJ)]

Intuition >>>>>>>>>>>

(Though, he'd be even better if he followed my fashion advice, obv').

The real question here, though, is how have any of these generic hacks like Pack F.M, IconTheGlassJawKing and MacLethal ever made a dime off rap? There are really people out there who pay money to see/listen to peasants like Pack F.M and IconTheMicKing in 2010?

[drizzle]

Jay Electronica is about to enter this thread and body both sides of the argument.

[HustleCrowe]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

I like Jay Elec but I have to disagree with this

[Cash Rulz]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

Is this necessary?

[CasOne]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

I like Jay Elec but I have to disagree with this

I agree with this quote but since it's hustlecrowe saying it I dont agree at all.

[Philaflava]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

Is this necessary?

I mean, why should anyone have an issue with my opinion. I get not everybody (you and Willie D) like Jay Electronica but he possess something that almost no one here has. It's not to say this board doesn't have dope rappers, I think we have a bunch but Jay is something special.

[Texas Raised Mikey]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

[Cash Rulz]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

Is this necessary?

I mean, why should anyone have an issue with my opinion. I get not everybody (you and Willie D) like Jay Electronica but he possess something that almost no one here has. It's not to say this board doesn't have dope rappers, I think we have a bunch but Jay is something special.

Because this is not a who is better than Jay Elec thread.

Of course you can have your opinion. But the minute Jay Elec and PF rappers get mentioned in the same thread it instantly becomes a how much better he is than PF rappers and I just belief it counter productive to things in this thread.

[elohim]

I feel like the topic has been already beat to death by people much more important than me. But my short answer is when music no longer elicits any enjoyment and feels almost exclusively like a chore. I work 60 hours a week at two day jobs, so personally music helps me escape the banality of that. I only started making beats in the past 2 years or so. I know it ain't shit to like 90% of the people in this thread, but getting to open for cats like P.O.S., Eyedea & Abilities, Astronautalis and others is more than I ever thought would come from it.

That said, I realized a long time ago that making non-rap music is generally a far more profitable venture for me. So if I was doing music for a living, I'd probably sell out and do my Rick Rubin forum shit like <object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/sh ... on=8,0,0,0" width="470" height="36" id="divplaylist"><param name="movie" value="http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist? ... esign=true" /><embed src="http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist? ... esign=true" width="470" height="36" name="divplaylist" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashpl ... d></object> instead of rap. I know,

[Philaflava]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

Is this necessary?

I mean, why should anyone have an issue with my opinion. I get not everybody (you and Willie D) like Jay Electronica but he possess something that almost no one here has. It's not to say this board doesn't have dope rappers, I think we have a bunch but Jay is something special.

Because this is not a who is better than Jay Elec thread.

Of course you can have your opinion. But the minute Jay Elec and PF rappers get mentioned in the same thread it instantly becomes a how much better he is than PF rappers and I just belief it counter productive to things in this thread.

But are you gonna jump on the posse cut?

[Cash Rulz]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

Is this necessary?

I mean, why should anyone have an issue with my opinion. I get not everybody (you and Willie D) like Jay Electronica but he possess something that almost no one here has. It's not to say this board doesn't have dope rappers, I think we have a bunch but Jay is something special.

Because this is not a who is better than Jay Elec thread.

Of course you can have your opinion. But the minute Jay Elec and PF rappers get mentioned in the same thread it instantly becomes a how much better he is than PF rappers and I just belief it counter productive to things in this thread.

But are you gonna jump on the posse cut?

Dammit man!!!! I better get crackin'.

[Employee]

I feel like the topic has been already beat to death by people much more important than me. But my short answer is when music no longer elicits any enjoyment and feels almost exclusively like a chore. I work 60 hours a week at two day jobs, so personally music helps me escape the banality of that. I only started making beats in the past 2 years or so. I know it ain't shit to like 90% of the people in this thread, but getting to open for cats like P.O.S., Eyedea & Abilities, Astronautalis and others is more than I ever thought would come from it.

That said, I realized a long time ago that making non-rap music is generally a far more profitable venture for me. So if I was doing music for a living, I'd probably sell out and do my Rick Rubin forum shit like <object classid="clsid:d27cdb6e-ae6d-11cf-96b8-444553540000" codebase="http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/pub/sh ... on=8,0,0,0" width="470" height="36" id="divplaylist"><param name="movie" value="http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist? ... esign=true" /><embed src="http://www.divshare.com/flash/playlist? ... esign=true" width="470" height="36" name="divplaylist" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/go/getflashpl ... d></object> instead of rap. I know,

I hate everything about you.

[elohim]

I hate everything about you.

Thread ain't about me, fag!

But since I did a song with an azn girl on vox, I'll share it solely for your 's:
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[GM Dizzy Skillespie]

And all jokes aside Jay Elect has more talent in one finger than most of the rappers on Philaflava or anywhere for that matter. Truth.

Is this necessary?

I mean, why should anyone have an issue with my opinion. I get not everybody (you and Willie D) like Jay Electronica but he possess something that almost no one here has. It's not to say this board doesn't have dope rappers, I think we have a bunch but Jay is something special.

Because this is not a who is better than Jay Elec thread.

Of course you can have your opinion. But the minute Jay Elec and PF rappers get mentioned in the same thread it instantly becomes a how much better he is than PF rappers and I just belief it counter productive to things in this thread.

was only a matter of time before this became a Nas vs. Jay-z type thread.
and look who facilitated it.

[Harry Hater]

I havent looked through this whole thread, but Im gonna guess that a few rappers have said they are happier and better people for doing what theyre doing than the poor saps who sit in cubicles all day who hate themselves because they were too scared to follow their dreams, which is pretty much everyone else who doesnt rap, no?

[Smitty]

I havent looked through this whole thread, but Im gonna guess that a few rappers have said they are happier and better people for doing what theyre doing than the poor saps who sit in cubicles all day who hate themselves because they were too scared to follow their dreams, which is pretty much everyone else who doesnt rap, no?

Naw, the rappers said they're okay with their decisions re:throwing their lives away. Then Thun was all, "Well, noone in the world will give a fuck about your music in the future.", and then the rappers didn't really respond to that because that wasn't relevant to the discussion. Then there's a page and a half about Jay Electronica because you know, why not right?

[Smitty]

And oh yeah, some rappers came out the woodwork to brag about their wives' PhDs, and put up some links to their shit. Can't forget about all them, they added so much to the discourse.

[360]

I didn't bring up jay Elect for the purpose of pitting him against the people who frequent this board and also happen to rap. I brought it up because he is the antithesis of Gloss' side of the argument, yet Gloss loves him so much. That's irony of it. Jay Electronica is a 35-36 year old rapper who didn't become even slightly successful until last year. Sure he rapped for years before his success like very other person on this board who raps, successful or not, but he didn't really come out until last year, or the year before that, not to mention the fact that he has been homeless, on and off, through his fucking 20's.


I wonder how he met Erika Badu.