pick your favorite producer

jamrage · Post by **jamrage** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:34 am

binary wrote:jamrage needs to stop sonning himself.

How is anything I've said sonning myself? Explain please.

Rza has made some classics, but hasn't done much album wise in a long time. In an industry that is "What have you done for me lately?" he's been missing doing the movie score shit. This is all true.

Pete Rock, DJ Premier, and Rza all belong in the same sentence (Though I personally rate Premo and Rock a bit higher)

This is just a who your favorite producer is anyway, not a who is better. I found it surprising that Rza was running away with it considering his lack of material lately.

reevolution · Post by **reevolution** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:46 am

jamrage wrote:
binary wrote:jamrage needs to stop sonning himself.
How is anything I've said sonning myself? Explain please.

Rza has made some classics, but hasn't done much album wise in a long time. In an industry that is "What have you done for me lately?" he's been missing doing the movie score shit. This is all true.

Pete Rock, DJ Premier, and Rza all belong in the same sentence (Though I personally rate Premo and Rock a bit higher)

This is just a who your favorite producer is anyway, not a who is better. I found it surprising that Rza was running away with it considering his lack of material lately.

rza has more classic albums that pete rock or dj premier.

binary · Post by **binary** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:24 am

jamrage wrote:
binary wrote:jamrage needs to stop sonning himself.
How is anything I've said sonning myself? Explain please.

Rza has made some classics, but hasn't done much album wise in a long time. In an industry that is "What have you done for me lately?" he's been missing doing the movie score shit. This is all true.

Pete Rock, DJ Premier, and Rza all belong in the same sentence (Though I personally rate Premo and Rock a bit higher)

This is just a who your favorite producer is anyway, not a who is better. I found it surprising that Rza was running away with it considering his lack of material lately.

dude lemme just say this and I'm gone. RZA has done very little in the last few years, but given that he's done very little...

"Run" - arguable the illest song of that year.
"School" - one of the best songs of that year.
"State of Grace" - one of the best songs in alot of people's current rotation.

Peace.

jamrage · Post by **jamrage** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:30 am

reevolution wrote:
jamrage wrote:
binary wrote:jamrage needs to stop sonning himself.
How is anything I've said sonning myself? Explain please.

Rza has made some classics, but hasn't done much album wise in a long time. In an industry that is "What have you done for me lately?" he's been missing doing the movie score shit. This is all true.

Pete Rock, DJ Premier, and Rza all belong in the same sentence (Though I personally rate Premo and Rock a bit higher)

This is just a who your favorite producer is anyway, not a who is better. I found it surprising that Rza was running away with it considering his lack of material lately.
rza has more classic albums that pete rock or dj premier.

Debatable IMO. Christ, I'm not even getting into this argument. You start getting into the "Is the Group Home album classic.", "How does more outside production work rate against a a classic album" etc. etc. etc.

I'm not even trying to get into a who's better, as I've said they're all up there.

My main point was that I was surprised by how far ahead Rza was considering what little he's done in the last 5 years. Both Pete Rock and Premier have done more in the last 5 years, yet trail by quite a big margin. That's all I'm saying

Don't see that as sonning myself but hey thats just me.

binary · Post by **binary** » Wed May 31, 2006 3:42 am

everyone here still bumps his shit everyday, thus he is a favorite.

Davis Lester · Post by **Davis Lester** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:11 am

Great producers all, but...

RZA, especially if we are speaking on inventiveness. RZA was freaking samples, scales, harmonies, filtering techniques, etc. back in '97, '98 in ways that Prem and Pete are still trying to figure out.

And regarding his recent work, how can Rza be penalized for trying complex avenues other than basic, straight-ahead beats - foreign producers from other genres, orchestral work, etc. The other side of that argument can be applied to Pete and Premo: the uniformity and monotony of their sound over the last five years. Pete straight bit Rza's style in '98 with True Master and has maintained it ever since. Allmusic.com even calls Soul Survivor derivative of "post-Wu Tang bombast." Hmm.

It is a question of favorite, not better, but the conclusion that Pete and Prem are a "bit higher" is not backed by any kind of sound reasoning.

ScholarWenis · Post by **ScholarWenis** » Wed May 31, 2006 4:42 am

this is obviously impossible. I went with Beatminerz just because!!

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Wed May 31, 2006 9:40 am

damn not one vote for the nuts.

oracle21 · Post by **oracle21** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:28 pm

i was hoping ayatollah was on this. but i went with alchemist to try to even up thngs

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Wed May 31, 2006 1:34 pm

oracle21 wrote:i was hoping ayatollah was on this. but i went with alchemist to try to even up thngs

he definitley should have. i don't know how i completely forgot about him too.

DJRUKKUS · Post by **DJRUKKUS** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:23 pm

rza

ALWAYS been my favorite but right now MF DOOM and it looks like I'm the only vote -----------

jamrage · Post by **jamrage** » Wed May 31, 2006 2:43 pm

Davis Lester wrote:Great producers all, but...

RZA, especially if we are speaking on inventiveness. RZA was freaking samples, scales, harmonies, filtering techniques, etc. back in '97, '98 in ways that Prem and Pete are still trying to figure out.

And regarding his recent work, how can Rza be penalized for trying complex avenues other than basic, straight-ahead beats - foreign producers from other genres, orchestral work, etc. The other side of that argument can be applied to Pete and Premo: the uniformity and monotony of their sound over the last five years. Pete straight bit Rza's style in '98 with True Master and has maintained it ever since. Allmusic.com even calls Soul Survivor derivative of "post-Wu Tang bombast." Hmm.

It is a question of favorite, not better, but the conclusion that Pete and Prem are a "bit higher" is not backed by any kind of sound reasoning.

I forgot Allmusic.com was the arbiter of hip hop.

Sorry man, but Pete's recent stuff isn't sounding like Rza to my ears. In fact you're the first person I've ever met that says that Pete Rock has been biting Rza for years.

Sounds like crazy talk to me.

Again, I said I personally rated them a bit higher than Rza, but all three are right up there. Pete and Premo have done more songs that I really enjoy, and as you said its favorite not best.

CRASH DDZ · Post by **CRASH DDZ** » Wed May 31, 2006 5:31 pm

went with marly.

fuck this poll.

coldwatermusic · Post by **coldwatermusic** » Wed May 31, 2006 5:48 pm

So Just Blaze has as many votes as
Dilla, Dre, The Beatnuts, Buckwild, Erick Sermon, Madlib, Large Pro, Havoc & Muggs combined, huh?!?

Hasenfefer · Post by **Hasenfefer** » Wed May 31, 2006 8:56 pm

coldwatermusic wrote:So Just Blaze has as many votes as
Dilla, Dre, The Beatnuts, Buckwild, Erick Sermon, Madlib, Large Pro, Havoc & Muggs combined, huh?!?

maybe you missed the title of this thread? it's pick your FAVORITE producer...not which producer has dropped the most allmusic.com approved classic albums...not which producer can chop a 1 bar sample into 64 notes and create the illest harmonized melody using a tascam 4 track...just your favorite...so chill.

Move Free · Post by **Move Free** » Wed May 31, 2006 9:35 pm

organized noize

Moolah · Post by **Moolah** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 3:56 am

DJ Premier

Chance · Post by **Chance** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 4:09 am

Premo man.

coldwatermusic · Post by **coldwatermusic** » Thu Jun 01, 2006 6:13 am

Hasenfefer wrote:
coldwatermusic wrote:So Just Blaze has as many votes as
Dilla, Dre, The Beatnuts, Buckwild, Erick Sermon, Madlib, Large Pro, Havoc & Muggs combined, huh?!?

maybe you missed the title of this thread? it's pick your FAVORITE producer...not which producer has dropped the most allmusic.com approved classic albums...not which producer can chop a 1 bar sample into 64 notes and create the illest harmonized melody using a tascam 4 track...just your favorite...so chill.

yeah, I got that, still surprised though.

Cash Rulz · Post by **Cash Rulz** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 2:42 pm

Green Eyed Bastard.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 8:56 am

suprised madlib didn't even get one vote.

coldwatermusic · Post by **coldwatermusic** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:34 pm

^I would have picked him or Dilla if the poll was "pick your favorite producer of this millenium"

Captin Planit · Post by **Captin Planit** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:40 pm

And now, a plea for the underdog...

Sure, his more recent work's been a little hit or miss, but no other producer has songs that can so seamlessly make the transition from club to car to home to bedroom to etc., etc... And he's one of the elite few who both developed a trademark sound and never let his style go stale. Added to that, I'm probably in the overwhelming minority here, but I think he's got several certifiable classics under his belt, Missy and Ginuwine's first albums among them (or whichever Ginuwine album had "When Doves Cry" on it). Made Bubba Sparxxx bearable. Made Nelly Furtado bearable. Hell, made Missy Elliott DOPE.

And added to all that, he seems like a pretty good dude in general.

P.S. People who are shamelessly shitting all over Pete Rock, calling him a Rza derivative, need to take a breath and proof read their work before making such bold, unfounded statements.

Captin Planit · Post by **Captin Planit** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:41 pm

Fuckin' double...

Captin Planit · Post by **Captin Planit** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:43 pm

Wait, of this millenium? God dammit...

aresem · Post by **aresem** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 11:37 pm

yeah, this was a tuff one. but since its "favorite" and not "best", i went with Just Blaze.... simply because the man never seems to let me down. everything he produces is amazing.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:03 pm

Primo is the GOAT, a close second is Timbaland.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 5:04 pm

Magneto wrote:Primo is the GOAT, a close second is Timbaland.

2nd over RZA, Paul, Pete Rock and Rubin????

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:18 am

Philaflava wrote:
Magneto wrote:Primo is the GOAT, a close second is Timbaland.
2nd over RZA, Paul, Pete Rock and Rubin????

Tim might be better then Primo. Timbaland has so many classic beats, it's insane. Plus he's more diversity. He can make beats that are sonically perfect and you can knock in your whip/club or play with your headphones and backpack on. Plus he's been consistently dope for well over a decade.

RZA is cool, but he's too one dimensional

Pr. Paul has a great catalogue but his best material isn't on par with Tim's and he hasn't been top notch for as long.

Pete Rock used to be my number two producer all-time, but Timbaland surpassed him when I realized how many joint Timbaland has actually done. There's a gang of classic beats that I loved for years that I didn't even realize he did. His catalogue is just too good for Pete Rock to compete with.

Rick wouldn't even be in my top 10.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 9:50 am

You're entitled to your opinion and some people would probably agree, but this needs its own thread for sure.

pick your favorite producer

pick your favorite producer(s)