Malice changes name to...No Malice?

[Employee]

If you can't tell the difference between rapping about struggling with religion due to guilt bought on by heavy drug trafficking versus straight up praise jesus rap, I don't know what to tell you.

It probably has less to do with recognizing the nuanced introspection you'd find on an album dealing with themes of selling drugs, shooting people in the face, etc and more to do with not understanding why people are reacting like Malice announced he has AIDS.

I think you're giving Esco a little too much credit here.

I think I might actually be safe this time (nh/:pause: ).

[The Afronaut]

If you can't tell the difference between rapping about struggling with religion due to guilt bought on by heavy drug trafficking versus straight up praise jesus rap, I don't know what to tell you.

What did you think about Malice's raps on TTCD?

I mean I think we can all agree by that point Pusha had stepped to the forefront of the group, but besides that.

[Blockhead]

If you can't tell the difference between rapping about struggling with religion due to guilt bought on by heavy drug trafficking versus straight up praise jesus rap, I don't know what to tell you.

What did you think about Malice's raps on TTCD?

I mean I think we can all agree by that point Pusha had stepped to the forefront of the group, but besides that.

I think he was off. Kinda mailed it in/had his head somewhere else. But honestly, I thought that album wasn't very good in general.
Sadly, even the recent Pusha shit I've heard hasn't been very good either.

[The Afronaut]

Malice was pretty much doing all "jesus raps" on that album. I assume those type of raps are where he's headed. They were not that far removed from his previous stuff on the introspective tip.

I feel you, that it wasnt necessarily his best work, but it wasnt altogether horrible in my opinion.

[Escobar305]

If you can't tell the difference between rapping about struggling with religion due to guilt bought on by heavy drug trafficking versus straight up praise jesus rap, I don't know what to tell you.

It probably has less to do with recognizing the nuanced introspection you'd find on an album dealing with themes of selling drugs, shooting people in the face, etc and more to do with not understanding why people are reacting like Malice announced he has AIDS.

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[ardamus]

Hmmm, I feel like he could've played it off better though. There's a way to announce and still keep your fanbase. Hell Hath No Fury is still my shit and I'm glad they at least put some good joints along the way. I gave Pusha a try with the newer stuff but it didn't last in rotation. I'll break it back out to see if it still lasts.

[Kid That's Lifeless]

I've mentioned it before, but the "Life is with your kids, watching Madagascar" line is when I stopped taking Malice seriously as a rapper. You can't go from "got love for guns and caine, let nothing come between us" to that and expect me to still check for your music.

[Blockhead]

If you can't tell the difference between rapping about struggling with religion due to guilt bought on by heavy drug trafficking versus straight up praise jesus rap, I don't know what to tell you.

It probably has less to do with recognizing the nuanced introspection you'd find on an album dealing with themes of selling drugs, shooting people in the face, etc and more to do with not understanding why people are reacting like Malice announced he has AIDS.

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Esco, you a god fearing man?

[Escobar305]

If you can't tell the difference between rapping about struggling with religion due to guilt bought on by heavy drug trafficking versus straight up praise jesus rap, I don't know what to tell you.

It probably has less to do with recognizing the nuanced introspection you'd find on an album dealing with themes of selling drugs, shooting people in the face, etc and more to do with not understanding why people are reacting like Malice announced he has AIDS.

this

Esco, you a god fearing man?

Something like that

[The Afronaut]

I've mentioned it before, but the "Life is with your kids, watching Madagascar" line is when I stopped taking Malice seriously as a rapper. You can't go from "got love for guns and caine, let nothing come between us" to that and expect me to still check for your music.

So is it the content switch up, the line itself, or the fact that he's now pro-jesus in general that made stop taking him seriously?

[Kid That's Lifeless]

I've mentioned it before, but the "Life is with your kids, watching Madagascar" line is when I stopped taking Malice seriously as a rapper. You can't go from "got love for guns and caine, let nothing come between us" to that and expect me to still check for your music.

So is it the content switch up, the line itself, or the fact that he's now pro-jesus in general that made stop taking him seriously?

I don't know, all of the above?

I loved the coke dealing Clipse that didn't give a fuck about anything and just went off over the most ridiculous beats that the Neptunes could craft. It's great that Malice found Jesus and wants to spend time with his family and everything (seriously, good for him), but that doesn't mean he should go away from his comfort zone as a rapper (you know, the thing that keeps his family fed and everything).

[Employee]

The Clipse is wildly overrated.

4real; any group the Ithe Mayne prays to is questionable.

[Blockhead]

I've mentioned it before, but the "Life is with your kids, watching Madagascar" line is when I stopped taking Malice seriously as a rapper. You can't go from "got love for guns and caine, let nothing come between us" to that and expect me to still check for your music.

So is it the content switch up, the line itself, or the fact that he's now pro-jesus in general that made stop taking him seriously?

I don't know, all of the above?

I loved the coke dealing Clipse that didn't give a fuck about anything and just went off over the most ridiculous beats that the Neptunes could craft. It's great that Malice found Jesus and wants to spend time with his family and everything (seriously, good for him), but that doesn't mean he should go away from his comfort zone as a rapper (you know, the thing that keeps his family fed and everything).

This is where I might disagree with you.
If he's truly changed and doesn't wanna rap about selling coke any more, more power to him. That's not his life anymore. It would be weird if he did still rap about that shit , while he was living the life of a good christian man, spending nights at home with his wife and kids , playing chutes and ladders.

However, that doesn't mean, we (his fans) don't have the right to totally stop listening to his music. I mean, we came for the coke raps...not for lyrical sunday school. But, like you said, good for him.

[The Afronaut]

However, that doesn't mean, we (his fans) don't have the right to totally stop listening to his music. I mean, we came for the coke raps...not for lyrical sunday school.

I totally agree that anybody has the right to stop listening to anybody for whatever reason.

I guess its just weird to me that people would come just for the coke raps. Millions of coke rappers out there.

I get that people have an aversion to religious rap, but like I said dude's style on TTCD was mad subdued on the religious overtones. "Grown man rap" is closer to how I'd describe it.

[Blockhead]

^I get that. But , the case of The Clipse, they were some of the best coke rappers. Part of their charm is that they were able to make such a stale topic seem fresh.
And, while I agree it is grown man rap, the further it pushed/pushes into Christianity, the less a dude like me is gonna be interested.

[Comedy Quaddafi]

I'm looking forward to hearing Malice spit Jesusraps. Pusha T's solo output proves how generic they are when apart, at least Malice will be rejuvenated and have some fresh ideas and concepts to work on. Religion have inspired the best books, movies and paintings - why not music?

[Spartan]

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[bistro]

To each their own.
I mean what's grown men rap? Both topics they spit about are fairy tales anyway.

Personally I rather hear coke rap than Jesus rap. I know coke is real, and anyone can dabble in it, wether be selling or buying.

Just my opinion

[Blockhead]

Religion have inspired the best books, movies and paintings - why not music?

You can't possibly think this comparison works in this situation?

Let's be honest. Malice isn't exactly gonna be spitting verses picking apart and theorizing on religion...It's gonna be some "I blindly love jesus" shit with a cool voice.

[Jayou Ayen]

Jesus Christ.



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[Comedy Quaddafi]

Let's be honest. Malice isn't exactly gonna be spitting verses picking apart and theorizing on religion...It's gonna be some "I blindly love jesus" shit with a cool voice.

I'm not sure about that. But we'll see.

A new coke-themed album from Malice wouldn't excite me much either (I probably wouldn't even bother downloading it), and I'm sure most of you guys feel the same way, this will be interesting/funny at least.

[Willie B]

i dont think it'll be on some i love jesus shit at all. that's way too literal for him. im hoping itll be lessons from the bible in street tale form + i know im doing wrong (examples) please lord (willin) forgive me.

[The Afronaut]

To each their own.
I mean what's grown men rap? Both topics they spit about are fairy tales anyway.

I meant that more in approach than anything. "Grown man rap" is more subdued. Less flashy, more "real". Shit that grown men can identify with. Muddy as it is, thats the best explanation I can come up with at the moment.

Let's be honest. Malice isn't exactly gonna be spitting verses picking apart and theorizing on religion...It's gonna be some "I blindly love jesus" shit with a cool voice.

Again, what is this theory based on? Dude already has an album post christian conversion (TTCD) and it wasnt like that at all.

Im not saying I cant be wrong about where his music is headed, I just cannot understand what evidence there is to assume the worst.

[Blockhead]

Let's be honest. Malice isn't exactly gonna be spitting verses picking apart and theorizing on religion...It's gonna be some "I blindly love jesus" shit with a cool voice.

Again, what is this theory based on? Dude already has an album post christian conversion (TTCD) and it wasnt like that at all.

Im not saying I cant be wrong about where his music is headed, I just cannot understand what evidence there is to assume the worst.[/quote]

I guess I'm basing it off him (or someone in here) saying he's releasing a christian rap album. Unless i read that wrong.
I mean, from what I've heard and seen (youtube videos) from him more recently, he's going that way. He definitely won't be lamenting the struggles of selling coke anymore and his focus in life seems to be his family and his faith. Which is totally fine...just not something I've ever wanna hear on a record.

Regardless of all this, no matter what he raps about, Malice isn't holding down an interesting solo album no matter what he raps about.

[Larry2times]

To each their own.
I mean what's grown men rap? Both topics they spit about are fairy tales anyway.

I meant that more in approach than anything. "Grown man rap" is more subdued. Less flashy, more "real". Shit that grown men can identify with. Muddy as it is, thats the best explanation I can come up with at the moment.

Every since Jay-Z retired people have been championing the most boring M.O.R. grown&sexy nonsense like this as rappers having learned to age gracefully and make age-appropriate music.

Just because it includes a few meaningless "oh shit I feel a bit silly wearing a fitted now, I'm sure you can relate to this" signifiers and some middling almost-lush instrumental that could can be used as ambient music in a clothing store doesnt mean its anything other than shallow pandering to middle aged dudes who've forgotten how to enjoy new rap music without wanting to shake their fist at the sky.

AG made a pretty great mature old man-rapper album with Everything's Berri, E-40 can still regularly knock it out the park over cutting edge production while steadily progressing in terms of showing things from a 40+ rapper's perspective. You know youre turning into housewives listening to this other bullshit, right?

[The Afronaut]

I guess I'm basing it off him (or someone in here) saying he's releasing a christian rap album. Unless i read that wrong.
I mean, from what I've heard and seen (youtube videos) from him more recently, he's going that way. He definitely won't be lamenting the struggles of selling coke anymore and his focus in life seems to be his family and his faith. Which is totally fine...just not something I've ever wanna hear on a record.

Regardless of all this, no matter what he raps about, Malice isn't holding down an interesting solo album no matter what he raps about.

[Gyangsta 4 Life]

To each their own.
I mean what's grown men rap? Both topics they spit about are fairy tales anyway.

I meant that more in approach than anything. "Grown man rap" is more subdued. Less flashy, more "real". Shit that grown men can identify with. Muddy as it is, thats the best explanation I can come up with at the moment.

Every since Jay-Z retired people have been championing the most boring M.O.R. grown&sexy nonsense like this as rappers having learned to age gracefully and make age-appropriate music.

Just because it includes a few meaningless "oh shit I feel a bit silly wearing a fitted now, I'm sure you can relate to this" signifiers and some middling almost-lush instrumental that could can be used as ambient music in a clothing store doesnt mean its anything other than shallow pandering to middle aged dudes who've forgotten how to enjoy new rap music without wanting to shake their fist at the sky.

AG made a pretty great mature old man-rapper album with Everything's Berri, E-40 can still regularly knock it out the park over cutting edge production while steadily progressing in terms of showing things from a 40+ rapper's perspective. You know youre turning into housewives listening to this other bullshit, right?

THIS. "Grown-man rap" is a paradoxical term.

[The Afronaut]

Just because it includes a few meaningless "oh shit I feel a bit silly wearing a fitted now, I'm sure you can relate to this" signifiers and some middling almost-lush instrumental that could can be used as ambient music in a clothing store

None of this is what I was talking about. I get where youre coming from though. There is quite a bit of straight up boring music that uses that term to get over.

"Grown man rap" does not have to mean weak. I think there are several veteran artists (including the 2 youve mentioned) that make music they enjoy and arent concerned with trying to keep up with "what the kids are into". Thats "grown man rap" in my opinion.

Other Examples:
Ghost
Scarface
Devin
Big Boi
The Roots

The flipside of this however is older fans labeling something "boring" just because it isnt rowdy enough or whatever. There are too many people trying to duck acknowledging their own age by living vicariously through whatever is the newest rap trend.

That shit is just as present and annoying as truly boring and uninspired rap disguised as "GMR" in my opinion.

[The Afronaut]

"Grown-man rap" is a paradoxical term.

I wholeheartedly disagree. See Aquemini.

[Larry2times]

Just because it includes a few meaningless "oh shit I feel a bit silly wearing a fitted now, I'm sure you can relate to this" signifiers and some middling almost-lush instrumental that could can be used as ambient music in a clothing store

None of this is what I was talking about. I get where youre coming from though. There is quite a bit of straight up boring music that uses that term to get over.

"Grown man rap" does not have to mean weak. I think there are several veteran artists (including the 2 youve mentioned) that make music they enjoy and arent concerned with trying to keep up with "what the kids are into". Thats "grown man rap" in my opinion.

Other Examples:
Ghost
Scarface
Devin
Big Boi
The Roots

The flipside of this however is older fans labeling something "boring" just because it isnt rowdy enough or whatever. There are too many people trying to duck acknowledging their own age by living vicariously through whatever is the newest rap trend.

That shit is just as present and annoying as truly boring and uninspired rap disguised as "GMR" in my opinion.

Yeah sorry I may have skipped reading a few of the earlier posts actually.

I think "living vicariously" is a big part of enjoying rap music though. Being able to relate to it is cool but far from essential.

I think Scarface was the first person that could be described as making "grown man rap". I'd say De La could have made the greatest grown up rap album evar though, if they hadn't decided to become grumpy old men. Eh, if if was a fifth.