windows 7 - tell me why its hot

deepfriedjellol · Post by **deepfriedjellol** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 11:22 am

my IT dude hasnt really played with it but as far as im hearing everything that works in vista will work in windows 7

anyone here fucksed with it?

citizen · Post by **citizen** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:40 pm

good lord, thats like getting excited for a colonoscopy

deepfriedjellol · Post by **deepfriedjellol** » Wed Oct 21, 2009 1:53 pm

i dont see no exclamation points in that thar post

in colored terms: "whats good?"

Willie B · Post by **Willie B** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:23 pm

vista = windows me
win7= XP

if that makes any sense.

The Red Scare · Post by **The Red Scare** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:45 pm

If you're a student, or still have access to your old college email address like I do, you can get a Windows 7 Home or Professional Edition for $30.

www.win741.com

the dead poet · Post by **the dead poet** » Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:57 pm

do you think hardware/software that wasn't compatible with vista will be compatible with windows 7?

malpractice · Post by **malpractice** » Wed Oct 28, 2009 7:59 pm

i got a new computer today.
so far liking win7 way more than vista. WAY more.

some of the hardware i had for my old computer that doesnt have win7 drivers yet, i noticed that the vista drivers work for it, so thats a plus as well.

aresem · Post by **aresem** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:13 pm

my verdict is that Windows 7 is amazing. i hated Vista ALOT and i could never function properly on it. Windows 7 on the other hand seems more simplified/cleaner and more intuitive. Microsoft did good on this one...

Balzac · Post by **Balzac** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:51 pm

doesn't make any sense to hate vista and like windows 7. they are very similar under the hood.

hardware compatibility isn't a microsoft issue, its a hardware manufacturer issue. if your hardware didn't work with vista its cause they didn't write a proper driver for it. the reason almost all hardware works with xp is because its been around for so long, companies are forced to use it and write drivers for it. When XP first came out (like vista) old hardware did not work and people whined and bitched about it. windows 7 will be good because it builds on the Vista driver set so essentially its like its already been released for a few years.

long story short, hating on vista and loving windows 7 does nothing but showcase your computer n00bery.

deepfriedjellol · Post by **deepfriedjellol** » Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:35 pm

I WANNA BE IN A MICROSOFT COMMERCIAL BALZAC

HOW DO I MAKE THAT HAPPEN

MY NAME IS JELLOL, AND IM A PC

malpractice · Post by **malpractice** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:02 am

i took vista off of my old computer and put xp back on it

b.radio · Post by **b.radio** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:19 am

Balzac wrote:hating on vista and loving windows 7 does nothing but showcase your computer n00bery.

Balzac · Post by **Balzac** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:20 pm

b.radio wrote:
Balzac wrote:hating on vista and loving windows 7 does nothing but showcase your computer n00bery.

have you ever seen this:
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/mojave-experiment/

basically microsoft re-skinned vista so it looked like a new OS; named it something else and got peoples reactions. overwhelming support since they didn't know it was vista. people get suckered in by all kinds of word of mouth bashing by dickholes who live and die by the 'i'm a pc, i'm a mac' commercials.

Balzac · Post by **Balzac** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:34 pm

also

Prologue: A troubled past

A bit less than three years ago, Windows Vista was officially launched after a long delay. The operating system brought a raft of long-overdue new features to the Windows platform to make it truly fit for hardware of the 21st century. In came a new graphics stack and sound stack, as well as significant security, networking, and storage changes.

The changes were all well and goodגthe graphics work in particular was essential to allow Windows to offer functionality equivalent to that found in Mac OS X for many yearsגbut they came at a high cost. To take advantage of all the new features required the use of all-new Windows Vista hardware drivers. In the OS's early days, these were often slow, unreliable, or simply non-existent. In spite of the extended development process and lengthy open beta, many vendors were apparently caught off-guard by Windows Vista's release and its preference for new drivers, so they chose to ignore the new OS for many months.

Software vendors didn't fare much better. Vista's new User Account Control (UAC) system meant that most of the time even administrators were stripped of their full privileges, forcing all software to run as a regular user account; full access was only provided after a confirmation prompt. Though software should long ago have stopped requiring admin rightsגWindows NT had this kind of security since its inceptionגthe reality was that many applications lazily assumed that the person running them would have full administrator privileges all the time. Take those privileges away, and the programs start breaking.

As for its impact on users, Vista also brought with it higher hardware demands that caused many to recoil in horror. This wasn't a new phenomenon, of course; Windows XP and Windows 2000 before it both had the same effect. So big, so bloated, so slowגthese are traditional criticisms leveled at any new Windows release, and Vista was no exception. In truth, Vista's hardware requirements were not egregious; the problem was that in comparison to XP's ancient, five-year-old requirements, Vista's requirements represented a big step up, especially in the area of video hardware.

So when Windows Vista became publicly available in early 2007, the reception was rather lukewarm. Third-party hardware and software support was spotty, backwards compatibility was reduced, and system demands were markedly higher. This led to a computing public that clamored for the continued availability of Windows XP, and many businesses (chipmaker Intel among them) swore off the new version of Windows in favor of its ancient predecessor. This was unfortunate. Sure, the new operating system had teething trouble, but this was nothing new.

XP also got booed

Long-time Windows observers will remember that XP's reception was immensely hostile, and for substantially the same reasons; users migrating from Windows 98 found that the new Windows didn't work with their hardware, didn't work with their software, ran slower, and used more memory. And who would want that? Business users similarly saw little compelling reason to migrate from Windows 2000 (which was then less than two years old), as XP offered them relatively little.

The thing that XP had on its side was time. XP should have been replaced by Windows Longhorn in 2004 or 2005, but the cancellation of the Longhorn project and subsequent wait for Vista meant that everyoneגusers, software developers, hardware vendorsגtreated Windows XP as the main (or even only) version of Windows, with the result that everything worked with XP. The early woes were forgotten, and XP, old and clunky as it was, became the version of Windows that everyone loved and adored (or at least, tolerated).

Just as XP was fundamentally not as bad as its initial reception would lead one to believe, the same was true of Vista. Stripped of the Vista name and placed in front of unsuspecting users, "Windows Mojave" was warmly received. And even corporate customers have started to migrate to the OS.

Vista was progress, and it paved the way for Windows 7
Although Windows Vista may have caused vendors and users alike some amount of pain, it was all for a good reason. To take advantage of modern video cards, Windows needed a new graphics stack; to withstand the increasing malware onslaught, Windows needed to tighten security and make running as a regular user more comfortable. These changes were not made lightly; the break with the past was necessary to put the operating system on the same footing as its competition and to address long-standing, legitimate criticisms of the platform. Microsoft was never going to revert to a more XP-like operating system, no matter how desperately some cling to the old OS.

Indeed, in this writer's view, Vista was far and away the best version of Windows ever shipped; the searchable Start menu alone ensured it received that accolade. I have way too many icons in my Start menu and way too many documents on my PC for hunting through hierarchies to ever be an effective way of finding, well, anything. Hitting the Windows key and then just typing what I'm looking for beats browsing hierarchies hands-down. And it's like crack; I was hooked from the first time I ever did it, and using Windows XP (with its dumb old-fashioned Start menu) feels like stepping back into the 1980s. People put up with that? And for so long?! Unbelievable. But I digress.

The Start menu wasn't the only positive change in Vista. The new video subsystem, for example, meant that I'm no longer beholden to the likes of NVIDIA or ATI for my computer's stability. My video drivers still crash, but hey, it no longer bluescreens my machine. Vista moved the bulk of video drivers into user mode, which means that they can crash and be restarted more or less seamlessly. In a similar vein, upgrading video drivers without rebooting is now a reality. Moving from video to sound, Vista's new sound stack lets me set my audio volume on a per-application basis, which is another feature I can't believe I lived without.

In the end, Vista brought a lot of good stuff. It was a major overhaul of the platform, and in retrospect, it's not entirely surprising that the transition was somewhat imperfect. Third parties could, and should, have done better, but they have at least caught up now.

madtapes · Post by **madtapes** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:37 pm

Balzac wrote:
long story short, hating on vista and loving windows 7 does nothing but showcase your computer n00bery.

7 runs much lighter the Vista ever did. Eats less processor power and uses about half as much RAM, even with Aero enabled.

Balzac · Post by **Balzac** » Tue Nov 03, 2009 3:23 pm

7 is gonna be awesome, don't get me wrong. i'm not saying vista > win 7

i just get all rilled up when people diss vista; cause really it was a solid OS.

*edit*

attempt to get thread back on track, heres the link to a great in depth review (where i pulled that long quote from).

http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/review ... review.ars

Sigma · Post by **Sigma** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 8:43 pm

I've been using Windows 7 since May. I used a couple of different builds of the release candidate, then I bought a copy of Windows 7 Pro which I've been using since October 22nd. Initially when I installed the RC I dual booted with XP, but after about a week I dumped the XP partition and have been using 7 exclusively.

Installation is a breeze. It took about 10-15 minutes on my PC and all of the drivers for my hardware (including my printer and wireless Xbox 360 controller) were automatically installed, apart from the drivers for my Serato box, which is to be expected. Vista drivers will work on Windows 7, so in general, if Vista drivers exist for your hardware, that hardware should work on Windows 7.

It boots up and shuts down faster than XP and Vista did on the same hardware and in use it feels just as fast, if not faster. After using 7 for a few weeks, I did some Windows updates on my dad's computer which is running XP and it just seemed ancient in comparison.

Security wise, it's a lot better than XP. It has built in protection against spyware and there's User Account Control. It has a 2 way firewall built in, unlike XP, but only inbound protection is enabled by default. If you turn on outbound protection, you have to manually configure every outbound connection yourself, so it's certainly not as easy as the way third party firewalls do it with a "program X is trying to access the Internet - do you want to allow it?" learning method. Generally speaking though, if something gets on your computer and attempts to phone home, you're already compromised, but it would have been nicer if the outbound protection was easier to use for those that want/need to use it. Compared to Vista, certain things have been made easier to use, such as UAC.

In terms of features and ease of use, it destroys XP. People that have never used Vista and go straight from XP to 7 will have to get used to the way certain things are done in 7, but that shouldn't take more than a week, and for an experienced user, even quicker than that. Pretty much every built in program or feature has been improved.

Compared to Vista it brings some new features such as Jump Lists. These are self-populating lists that appear when you right click a shortcut on the taskbar, so for example, if you have an IE shortcut on the taskbar you can right click it and see some of your browsing history. If you click an item, IE will fire up and take you to that page. If you have a shortcut to Windows Explorer, you can right click it and see a list of recently opened files and folders. You can also pin things to Jump Lists too, which is useful. I have shortcuts to My Videos, My Music etc. in the Jump List for Windows Explorer.

Another new feature is libraries. If you have a library called My Music, for example, you can add numerous folders from various locations to this library and all of the music that's in those folders will be consolidated. You can create as many libraries as you like and add as many locations as you like to each library.

There are other changes, such as aero peek - a feature that shows mini versions of opened windows and when you point the mouse at one, all of the other open windows will become transparent, leaving just the one you want. You can also do things such as maximising a window by dragging it to the top of the screen. Drag it to the left edge of the screen and it'll expand to fill just the left half, and obviously dragging it to the right edge fills the right half of the screen. If you grab a window and shake it, all other windows will minimise. Shake it again and they all maximise.

In terms of looks, Windows 7 is miles ahead of XP again. Vista users will be used to aero, but there are a couple of added extras in 7 (such as the aero-peek feature).

It is the best OS Microsoft have ever made and even if you didn't like XP or Vista all that much, it's worth a look. Out of the box, everything works, it's easy to use and it's nice to look at, which couldn't be said of XP or Vista which weren't really solid until they both hit service pack 2.

If you're looking into buying it, the Home Premium version has pretty much everything that the average user will need. It does not have the XP mode, but if you need to use XP as well, dual booting is a better option anyway IMO. The Home Premium version is missing things like remote desktop and location aware printing, but most users won't care too much about that. You do get Windows Media Center with the HP version, which is cool. There's a chart comparing the editions here: -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

HomeSkillet · Post by **HomeSkillet** » Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:03 pm

The Red Scare wrote:If you're a student, or still have access to your old college email address like I do, you can get a Windows 7 Home or Professional Edition for $30.

www.win741.com

this is dope red...

CHANCE RANDOM · Post by **CHANCE RANDOM** » Sat Nov 21, 2009 9:13 am

the problem with microsoft is they release stuff when it should still be in alpha stages, really. most of their products have shitty first runs, but as time goes on, problems get fixed, updates get released, and service packs get sent out. after a while you usually have a very solid product, which is what i believe balzac is talking about.

i should know, i work there.

:smugkid:

and we've been running pre-release windows 7 for a good chunk of time now, and it's a very good OS.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Sun Feb 07, 2010 10:13 am

this is my 2nd day using windows 7 and its pretty much MAC for PCs so far.

Willie B · Post by **Willie B** » Wed May 12, 2010 5:19 pm

windows 7 sucks dick.
its so UNintuitive, just like a mac.
fuck, all i wanna do is right click on shit and make it do what i want it to do.
something told me to put this on a separate partition

Mad Human · Post by **Mad Human** » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:48 pm

Willie B wrote:vista = windows me
win7= XP

if that makes any sense.

good call here, vista sucks - a bit slower for me. better XP, but now we have already W7 - the system is a bit faster for me compare with Vista.