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blastmaster wrote: More people like HustleCrowe and Lloyd are going to think its cool to use the word, in any context, when its not.
Too late.
exactly.

we've tried everything at this point. might as well try this again, see if the world is any smarter this time, in 2008. probably not, but meh :cookiecookie:

let's give "nigger" less power by deconstructing it further.
let black/non-white people keep gaining real power in the world.
put white history in its real context: sometimes virtuous, sometimes vicious, but no better or worse than any other people, so black people, now we can stop worshipping white gods and white governments and white society and white celebrities more than our own, mmmkay? cool

maybe one day, once that happens, we'll be somewhere near a balance.

i'm glad Nas said "kike niggers, chink niggers" etc. cause that's what it's all about... balancing out the hate so everyone/no one feels it, equally.

when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.

i would rather not say any of them, and i usually don't... but lately, i been saying 'nigger' a bit more than usual... it's the zeitgeist
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Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.

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wheels wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
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Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
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not as good as MB thinks, not as bad as everyone seems to think.

not what i personally want to hear from nas. but i'll put it on the ipod.

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Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
i EXPECTED someone to come and take all the context and logic out of this statement. i should have expected it to be YOU, too! nitpicking everything i say like i'm some idiot that doesn't have any reasoning skills.

THE POINT IS: when the pain of racism is felt equally by all, it kinda loses its power to injure anybody.

if Black people had an equivalently painful word to use to stab white people with for the last 500 years, the word "nigger" wouldn't mean SHIT.

let me make it clearer for you: if you have a 100 megaton nuclear bomb, and you know someone the opposite complexion and religion from you also has a 100 megaton nuclear bomb, how much hate/discrimination/how much power over them will you feel, as opposed to what you would feel if they had all the same differences but only had a .45 revolver to defend themselves with?

your desire to kill them will probably seriously decrease if you know they could kill you just as easily.

"nigger" is mostly about making Black people feel LESS THAN HUMAN.

I KNOW I think beyond most typical human life philosophy, which is why the word 'nigger' stopped having ANY effect on me since I was like 13. I knew that some ignorant motherfucker's perception of me couldn't bend my mind to make me think I was less than them, someone who is evidently a small minded, racist piece of shit.

sucks to be... them :lol:
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this will be a very very bad album. My only hope is that there will be 3 or 4 songs worthy of not being deleted, this isn't going to be one of them.
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wheels wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
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B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:this will be a very very bad album. My only hope is that there will be 3 or 4 songs worthy of not being deleted, this isn't going to be one of them.
all great pieces of art inspire extreme love and hate.

this shit is going to be CLASSIC to me
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Mindbender Futurama wrote:
B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:this will be a very very bad album. My only hope is that there will be 3 or 4 songs worthy of not being deleted, this isn't going to be one of them.
all great pieces of art inspire extreme love and hate.

this shit is going to be CLASSIC to me
Concept aside, the song is still not very good. Not hating at all. The beat is weak to me, the hook is kinda :lol: + :naswtf: and the verses are bland (second one a little better).

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Mindbender Futurama wrote:
wheels wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
i EXPECTED someone to come and take all the context and logic out of this statement. i should have expected it to be YOU, too! nitpicking everything i say like i'm some idiot that doesn't have any reasoning skills.
There wasn't any logic in it to begin with. Your bomb analogy doesn't work, having the same size gun doesn't make people think any differently. Epithets are a symbol, and finding a good word for whitey isn't going to do shit about the greater ill.

So turn the other cheek has been replaced by "turn the other cheek and call someone a cracker?" Brilliant.

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B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote:
B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:this will be a very very bad album. My only hope is that there will be 3 or 4 songs worthy of not being deleted, this isn't going to be one of them.
all great pieces of art inspire extreme love and hate.

this shit is going to be CLASSIC to me
Concept aside, the song is still not very good. Not hating at all. The beat is weak to me, the hook is kinda :lol: + :naswtf: and the verses are bland (second one a little better).

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I love the fact that he ends the first verse with "....BIIITCH!"

Eminem = "nigger wigger cracker friend" :rofl: :rofl:

"my click still moving like freemasons/ so if i'm :naswtf: from the law, they got lodges all across the nation" :hooray:

and is that the Toys 'R Us theme he's doing the hook to? ILL

he's rapping about SOMETHING. and for that alone, I LOVE IT.
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Mindbender Futurama wrote: and is that the Toys 'R Us theme he's doing the hook to? ILL
You mean that Eazy E hook off Efil4zaggin he copied?

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The beat is very good, Nas rapping is good. The song is dope.

Only possible problem is the hook

And I don't even like most things Nas related as of late.
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wheels wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote:
wheels wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
i EXPECTED someone to come and take all the context and logic out of this statement. i should have expected it to be YOU, too! nitpicking everything i say like i'm some idiot that doesn't have any reasoning skills.
There wasn't any logic in it to begin with. Your bomb analogy doesn't work, having the same size gun doesn't make people think any differently. Epithets are a symbol, and finding a good word for whitey isn't going to do shit about the greater ill.

So turn the other cheek has been replaced by "turn the other cheek and call someone a cracker?" Brilliant.
it DOES work, you just are ignoring the function of the logic.

America doesnt want Iraq/North Korea/Iran/etc. to make any nuclear bases so they can't CATCH UP TO AMERICA'S arsenal. America would not be called 'the world's superpower' if it didn't have the most guns and bombs and biggest armies, yo.

If a thug has a gun and he sees two targets, one with a gun and one without a gun: WHO DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO TRY AND KILL FIRST?
:wtf: The logic is SO simple, son. Don't be stupid.


Racist white people been making Black people feel worthless for centuries. When black people love their own culture more than the white man, then racism won't work.

Epithets are ALL about making the person feel less than human. They ALL diminish the person's humanity, name any one and trace it back to its origin. I know what the fuck I'm talking about.m And at this point in earth history, basically only an alien could come from outerspace, in control of something with more power than white people, and make them feel inferior. Only earth cultures with things of value higher than what white people cherish could ever say to them "fuck you cracker, you're less than human, your capitalist toys, your religion and idols are worthless to me, you're a caveman cracker neanderthal savage" and I can't think of many that are at that point today.

equality. the eternal search...

i can see way beyond this African skin of mine, i'm not even really a racialized thinker, I just know these fucking games inside and out.
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I Like....sounds like Paul Mooney wrote the hook.

he should've got t-pain to sing this on the hook.

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Mindbender Futurama wrote:
wheels wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote:
wheels wrote:
Mindbender Futurama wrote: when "cracker" is as painful to a white person as "nigger" is for a black person, earth is balanced.
So let's balance the racism problem by being more racist? Or somehow lessen the impact of anti black sentiment by calling white people crackers? Don't you think that might, I don't know.... Make motherfuckers more racist?

This is by far the stupidest argument I've ever heard on the subject.
i EXPECTED someone to come and take all the context and logic out of this statement. i should have expected it to be YOU, too! nitpicking everything i say like i'm some idiot that doesn't have any reasoning skills.
There wasn't any logic in it to begin with. Your bomb analogy doesn't work, having the same size gun doesn't make people think any differently. Epithets are a symbol, and finding a good word for whitey isn't going to do shit about the greater ill.

So turn the other cheek has been replaced by "turn the other cheek and call someone a cracker?" Brilliant.
it DOES work, you just are ignoring the function of the logic.

America doesnt want Iraq/North Korea/Iran/etc. to make any nuclear bases so they can't CATCH UP TO AMERICA'S arsenal. America would not be called 'the world's superpower' if it didn't have the most guns and bombs and biggest armies, yo.

If a thug has a gun and he sees two targets, one with a gun and one without a gun: WHO DO YOU THINK HE'S GOING TO TRY AND KILL FIRST?
:wtf: The logic is SO simple, son. Don't be stupid.


Racist white people been making Black people feel worthless for centuries. When black people love their own culture more than the white man, then racism won't work.

Epithets are ALL about making the person feel less than human. They ALL diminish the person's humanity, name any one and trace it back to its origin. I know what the fuck I'm talking about.m And at this point in earth history, basically only an alien could come from outerspace, in control of something with more power than white people, and make them feel inferior. Only earth cultures with things of value higher than what white people cherish could ever say to them "fuck you cracker, you're less than human, your capitalist toys, your religion and idols are worthless to me, you're a caveman cracker neanderthal savage" and I can't think of many that are at that point today.

equality. the eternal search...

i can see way beyond this African skin of mine, i'm not even really a racialized thinker, I just know these fucking games inside and out.
A gun is a gun. You use it to kill people. There is nothing you can say to someone that will make their gun any less deadly. You cannot reason with a bullet.

A word is a word. There are ways to take the power out of certain words so that they no longer contain the connotation that makes them hurtful. Responding with another hurtful word is not helpful in any way.

To expand on your thug analogy: A racist sees two people of different races. He hates them both equally. One possesses a word in his vocabulary that demeans the racist. He calls them both a name. The first one doesn't respond, nothing happens. The second one retaliates, and the racist hates him more.

Giving power to "cracker" is stupid. Your analogy fails.

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if you want to offend a white person calling them a racist is much more effective than calling them a cracker or a honkey. white people hate being called racist. its almost like calling a girl a cunt, a homosexual a faggot, a black a nigger, an asian a chink, a latino a spic, a swed an albino...etc etc. but seriously nothing hurts a white, especially a white that fancies themselves progressive more than calling them a racist.

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I agree with Alaska.

Also if you're trying to kill two people you always shoot the one with the gun first. Everyone knows this.

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Yeah, I pretty much hate everything about this song.

God damn it, why does Nas of all people have to have one of the worst ears for beats in all of hip hop.

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kinda like the song... good beat n lyrics.. hook is whack. not fienden to hear the song over n over tho
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i like it

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i like it

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shit's pretty wack....




...but it's pretty dope for a nas song

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jamrage wrote: God damn it, why does Nas of all people have to have one of the worst ears for beats in all of hip hop.
This.

Plus the hook is slightly slightly worse than afterbirth.

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ALASKA wrote:if you want to offend a white person calling them a racist is much more effective than calling them a cracker or a honkey. white people hate being called racist. its almost like calling a girl a cunt, a homosexual a faggot, a black a nigger, an asian a chink, a latino a spic, a swed an albino...etc etc. but seriously nothing hurts a white, especially a white that fancies themselves progressive more than calling them a racist.
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yo wheelz:
i never said that i would start calling white people "cracker"... cause it comes from 'whip cracker' which is empowering and something that blacks were afraid of, it doesn't mean 'white flimsy saltine Premium Plus cracker', LOL

i just said in theory, a racist word that hurt whites as much as 'nigger' hurts blacks would go far in negating racism.

i have my own solution to the problem, and it works perfectly for me.
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Racism cannot simply be eliminated with an ego boost, and a warm hug and cookies from Bill and Oprah. Racism is a systemic socio-political structure/infrastructure that has evolved from the simplistic idea of "hateful words". Racism is an educational system unbalanced and designed to continually constrict opportunity from a group of individuals caught inside a specific environmental parameter such as the inner city. A place mind you engineered to be susceptible to crime, corruption, and lost opportunities, moreso comparably then other parts of the country. That place is by the way a much harsher and harder place to elevate from...yet the standards that these individuals are judged by are not changed, compensated or even changed. That is racism....and the silly notion that "If I just believe in myself" it will go away...completely ignores the hard realities of police brutality, mandatory drug sentencing, racial profiling, city mismanagement, urban decay and planning etc...

The word retains its power because beyond the history it invokes, (and again...history that is still relevant since the the political and social apparatus that allowed for segregation and discrimination remains though altered largely intact ) it is an ever present reminder of the conditions that many of us live in, under and what we still have to literally put up with. I hate when people especially black people act as if we are all sitting around and whining, or moping about a word....the truth is we are angry about that with all the advancements human thinking still hasn't evolved, and social justice has not evolved to completely correct what should of never have happened in the first place. That word is synonymous with struggle...
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