Lost - Season 4

[Choke]

Can we get a "normal" name on Lost? Everyone that's been introduced recently seems to have a name that you have to look up on Google to have some relevant meaning towards that character and/or the role they'll play. It was cool at first but now IMO it's just getting ridiculous. Can we just get a Kim Smith or a Fred Jackson please?

OMG, the new guys name is Cloney McParadox, do you think that means anything?

[citizen]

Can we get a "normal" name on Lost? Everyone that's been introduced recently seems to have a name that you have to look up on Google to have some relevant meaning towards that character and/or the role they'll play. It was cool at first but now IMO it's just getting ridiculous. Can we just get a Kim Smith or a Fred Jackson please?

OMG, the new guys name is Cloney McParadox, do you think that means anything?

go watch navy ncis

[slimebucato]

not everyone's name has a meaning, i don't think anyway

hurley
sayid
charlie
desmond
ben
many others

or maybe these do and I just don't know em

[citizen]

not everyone's name has a meaning, i don't think anyway

hurley
sayid
charlie
desmond
ben
many others

or maybe these do and I just don't know em

yeah true, i love the complexity of things like this, even if there turns out to be no relation to names like locke, lewis, maxwell, faraday, abadon, which i dont think there is a connection to whats going on in all these situations, i love the detail thats involved,

ok lets have a new characer

yeah lets name him bryan smith, fairly common, wont hurt anyones head too much

yeah perfect

one of the complaints i have heard from the writers of lost is that people ask for more info on the mythology and then when they put it in the show, people say oh i dont get it, thats too much, go back to the way it is

show is great, moving on

[None]

not everyone's name has a meaning, i don't think anyway

hurley
sayid
charlie
desmond
ben
many others

or maybe these do and I just don't know em

yeah true, i love the complexity of things like this, even if there turns out to be no relation to names like locke, lewis, maxwell, faraday, abadon, which i dont think there is a connection to whats going on in all these situations, i love the detail thats involved,

ok lets have a new characer

yeah lets name him bryan smith, fairly common, wont hurt anyones head too much

yeah perfect

one of the complaints i have heard from the writers of lost is that people ask for more info on the mythology and then when they put it in the show, people say oh i dont get it, thats too much, go back to the way it is

show is great, moving on

Abadon does seem to have some siginifcance, even if it is spelled without the extra d. Also, John Locke well his name is obviously a reference to you know.

Abaddon (Hebrew:אבדון,Avaddon - destruction, abyss) , in demonology, was chief of the demons of the seventh hierarchy. He was called The Destroyer and, in the Book of Revelation, St John called him the King of the locusts (Rev 9: 7-11).

The Thanksgiving Hymnsג€”a copy was also found in the Dead Sea Scrollsג€”tells of "the Sheol of Abaddon" and of the "torrents of Belial [that] burst into Abaddon". The Biblical Antiquities of Philo mentions Abaddon as a place (sheol, hell), not as a spirit or demon or angel. In Paradise Regained, Milton also uses Abaddon as a placeג€”the pit. It appears to have been St. John who first personified the term to stand for an angel. In the 3rd century Acts of Thomas, Abaddon is the name of a demon, or the Devil himself. Abaddon has also been identified as the angel of death and destruction, demon of the abyss, and chief of demons of the underworld hierarchy, where he is equated with Samael or Satan. In magic and alchemy, Abaddon is the Destroying Angel of the Apocalypse. In Barrett's The Magus, Abaddon is pictured, in colour, as one of the evil demons. In Medieval legend, Abaddon was considered as a synonym for Hell and/or the ruler thereof, and in Revelations 9:7-11, he was the Christian angel of Hell. The Hebrew word abadon, from which the name is derived, means "destruction" (Job 26:6 and Psalms 88:11). In the The Master and Margarita (Russian: Мастер и Маргарита), a novel by Mikhail Bulgakov, Abadonna (Russian: Абадонна) is the pale-faced, black-goggled angel of death.

Abaddon has also been considered the Hebrew name for the Greek god Apollyon.

Not long after Judeo-Christian teachings taught the name of this demon, Abaddon referred to the pit or cave that was used in mystery religions and schools as a rite of passage into the greater mysteries. Often the experience would entail the use of ritual substances that put the aspirant into an altered state in which he or she could receive divine revelation. Because the experience was sometimes unpleasant, this rite came to be viewed as being "hellish." However, it was considered absolutely necessary so that the seeker may become pure enough to encounter the "mind of God", as an angel is described as the "Angel of the bottomless pit who binds Satan for a thousand years".

In occultism and esoterism, Abaddon is related to blood red, brown and green colours, winter, the month of January, Saturday, intuition, sacrifice and challenge, the ruby and the sword. His Tarot symbol is the one of judgement.

[Truth.]

michael emerson (ben) said in a interview that he doesn't think they'll be doing any more episodes. so no new episodes till like fall after these? i don't know shit sucks though.

[citizen]

michael emerson (ben) said in a interview that he doesn't think they'll be doing any more episodes. so no new episodes till like fall after these? i don't know shit sucks though.

he's lying

[Lester Maddox]

not everyone's name has a meaning, i don't think anyway

hurley
sayid
charlie
desmond
ben
many others

or maybe these do and I just don't know em

Desmond's last name is Hume, named after philosopher David Hume. Naming character's after philosophers is a theme with the writers. Others include.

- John Locke is the most obvious one.
- Rousseau is named for Jean-Jacques Rousseau.
- Juliet's last name is Burke for Edmund Burke.
- Boone's last name was Carlyle for Thomas Carlyle.
- Mikhail's full name is Mikhail Bakunin which is the exact name of a Russian philosopher.
-Charlie's last name is Pace, probably after a little known empiricist named Jordan Scott Pace.
-Shannon Rutherford - Samuel Rutherford
- Kate Austen - John Austin
- Anthony Cooper (Locke's father) is named for a philsopher named Anthony Cooper who was friends with the real John Locke.
- Ben's last name is Linus, which I figure is a Charlie Brown reference since Linus is the smart one, using his intellect to win arguments, and often philosophizing to the other characters.

Most of these characters share, at least, some minor similarity with their namesake's writings.

[Gregg Popabitch1]

of course no brown people get philosopher names. fucking racist writers.

[slimebucato]

not everyone's name has a meaning, i don't think anyway

hurley
sayid
charlie
desmond
ben
many others

or maybe these do and I just don't know em

Desmond's last name is Hume, named after philosopher David Hume. Naming character's after philosophers is a theme with the writers. Others include.

- John Locke is the most obvious one.
- Rousseau is named for Jean-Jacques Rousseau.
- Juliet's last name is Burke for Edmund Burke.
- Boone's last name was Carlyle for Thomas Carlyle.
- Mikhail's full name is Mikhail Bakunin which is the exact name of a Russian philosopher.
-Charlie's last name is Pace, probably after a little known empiricist named Jordan Scott Pace.
-Shannon Rutherford - Samuel Rutherford
- Kate Austen - John Austin
- Anthony Cooper (Locke's father) is named for a philsopher named Anthony Cooper who was friends with the real John Locke.
- Ben's last name is Linus, which I figure is a Charlie Brown reference since Linus is the smart one, using his intellect to win arguments, and often philosophizing to the other characters.

Most of these characters share, at least, some minor similarity with their namesake's writings.

interesting info, thanks

[Choke]

Can we get a "normal" name on Lost? Everyone that's been introduced recently seems to have a name that you have to look up on Google to have some relevant meaning towards that character and/or the role they'll play. It was cool at first but now IMO it's just getting ridiculous. Can we just get a Kim Smith or a Fred Jackson please?

OMG, the new guys name is Cloney McParadox, do you think that means anything?

go watch navy ncis

ha

[mike eagle]

- Ben's last name is Linus, which I figure is a Charlie Brown reference since Linus is the smart one, using his intellect to win arguments, and often philosophizing to the other characters.

might Jacob be his security blanket?

[Lester Maddox]

- Ben's last name is Linus, which I figure is a Charlie Brown reference since Linus is the smart one, using his intellect to win arguments, and often philosophizing to the other characters.

might Jacob be his security blanket?

I'd say Jacob is more like The Great Pumpkin.

[Truth.]

As for "Lost," exec producer Carlton Cuse said he and fellow showrunner Damon Lindelof would meet with ABC brass today to hammer out the plan for the rest of the season. They won't be able to finish the remaining eight segs of the show's planned 16-episode season -- five is a more likely number -- but they will be able to craft a completed storyline for the remainder of this season, Cuse said.

And whatever segs are not produced this season will be picked up down the road in the show's remaining two seasons, Cuse said.

"We're going to try to make as many as we can and do a good job of finishing out this season," he said. "We'll have to compress some of the storytelling we planned for this season, and that may not be a bad thing. Damon and I feel like we know how we can finish it off and still make it a really, really great story."

[mike eagle]

- Ben's last name is Linus, which I figure is a Charlie Brown reference since Linus is the smart one, using his intellect to win arguments, and often philosophizing to the other characters.

might Jacob be his security blanket?

I'd say Jacob is more like The Great Pumpkin.

I'd say I need to get my Peanuts knowledge bars up to continue this exchange.

[TheEnglishProfessorGuy]

As for "Lost," exec producer Carlton Cuse said he and fellow showrunner Damon Lindelof would meet with ABC brass today to hammer out the plan for the rest of the season. They won't be able to finish the remaining eight segs of the show's planned 16-episode season -- five is a more likely number -- but they will be able to craft a completed storyline for the remainder of this season, Cuse said.

And whatever segs are not produced this season will be picked up down the road in the show's remaining two seasons, Cuse said.

"We're going to try to make as many as we can and do a good job of finishing out this season," he said. "We'll have to compress some of the storytelling we planned for this season, and that may not be a bad thing. Damon and I feel like we know how we can finish it off and still make it a really, really great story."

great news!

Only its gonna be kinda strange buying a dvd box set of only 13 episodes.

[missmetalkristin]

As for "Lost," exec producer Carlton Cuse said he and fellow showrunner Damon Lindelof would meet with ABC brass today to hammer out the plan for the rest of the season. They won't be able to finish the remaining eight segs of the show's planned 16-episode season -- five is a more likely number -- but they will be able to craft a completed storyline for the remainder of this season, Cuse said.

And whatever segs are not produced this season will be picked up down the road in the show's remaining two seasons, Cuse said.

"We're going to try to make as many as we can and do a good job of finishing out this season," he said. "We'll have to compress some of the storytelling we planned for this season, and that may not be a bad thing. Damon and I feel like we know how we can finish it off and still make it a really, really great story."

great news!

Only its gonna be kinda strange buying a dvd box set of only 13 episodes.

yeah, but the writers strike ended as of yesterday. i'm sure abc has ordered more episodes of this show. i think they might actually crank a full season out after all.

[citizen]

As for "Lost," exec producer Carlton Cuse said he and fellow showrunner Damon Lindelof would meet with ABC brass today to hammer out the plan for the rest of the season. They won't be able to finish the remaining eight segs of the show's planned 16-episode season -- five is a more likely number -- but they will be able to craft a completed storyline for the remainder of this season, Cuse said.

And whatever segs are not produced this season will be picked up down the road in the show's remaining two seasons, Cuse said.

"We're going to try to make as many as we can and do a good job of finishing out this season," he said. "We'll have to compress some of the storytelling we planned for this season, and that may not be a bad thing. Damon and I feel like we know how we can finish it off and still make it a really, really great story."

great news!

Only its gonna be kinda strange buying a dvd box set of only 13 episodes.

yeah, but the writers strike ended as of yesterday. i'm sure abc has ordered more episodes of this show. i think they might actually crank a full season out after all.

reread the quote holmes

[Truth.]

As for "Lost," exec producer Carlton Cuse said he and fellow showrunner Damon Lindelof would meet with ABC brass today to hammer out the plan for the rest of the season. They won't be able to finish the remaining eight segs of the show's planned 16-episode season -- five is a more likely number -- but they will be able to craft a completed storyline for the remainder of this season, Cuse said.

And whatever segs are not produced this season will be picked up down the road in the show's remaining two seasons, Cuse said.

"We're going to try to make as many as we can and do a good job of finishing out this season," he said. "We'll have to compress some of the storytelling we planned for this season, and that may not be a bad thing. Damon and I feel like we know how we can finish it off and still make it a really, really great story."

great news!

Only its gonna be kinda strange buying a dvd box set of only 13 episodes.

ya and they better not retail it for like 60 bucks.

[Truth.]

TV Guide on the fate of LOST season 4 :


Exclusive: Lost Boss Outlines Revised Season 4 Plan


Lost by Mario Perez/ABCMake no mistake, out of all the shows whose fate has been left dangling in the wind by the just-concluded writers' strike, the one we're most concerned about is Lost. Good thing, then, that the sixth fifth fourth third second first call Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse made after meeting with ABC execs this evening to finalize the new plan for Season 4 was to, yep, you guessed it, Variety Hollywood Reporter Entertainment Weekly Golf Digest Mac Addict me!

Welcome back!
Carlton Cuse: It's good to be back. It'll be even better tomorrow when the writers all start rolling in and we start getting to work... pending the vote, of course.

What came out of your meeting with ABC today?
Cuse: Damon [Lindelof] and I are going to try to make five more episodes before the end of May, which is ambitious. But we've found ourselves in a situation where we had eight episodes of story planned, and we're going to try to fit that into five hours of the show. Even though it's going to be very hard to execute, we felt like any less would be doing a disservice to the story we had planned. We really want to give the fans the best possible experience and ending... to Season 4.

Any chance that the first of the five episodes will air the week after that last pre-strike episode ג€” thus eliminating any scheduling gap?
Cuse: No, there's probably going to be four weeks between the airing of the first batch of episodes and our new episodes.

What will happen to the three "lost" episodes? Will they roll over into next season's 16, or will they vanish forever?
Cuse: Damon and I remain committed to producing the 40 additional hours of the show that we promised. We haven't figured out exactly when we'll put those other three on, but we're not eliminating them from the show. You will get those three episodes downstream.

I know it's early, but have you decided what will have to get cut from this season's arc in order to accelerate things? Are we going to lose some flashbacks and/or flash-forwards?
Cuse: All those conversations will take place tomorrow when we actually start talking about story.

Is it possible that some guest actors you were planning to use before the strike may no longer be available now? Like, for example, Andrea Roth?
Cuse: Yeah, there are a lot of issues that have to get sorted out. We're also in the middle of pilot season.... We're kind of figuring out what has happened to all of our actors who have gone on to do other things. Literally, there are cobwebs on the couches in the writers' room. Call me in a couple of days and I should have more answers for you.

OK, last question: Have you come up with a code word for this season's top-secret cliff-hanger?
Cuse: [Laughs] Not yet. That's a very good point. We'll have to get on that. If you have any ideas, Mike, let us know.

(BTW, I was joking in my intro. I'm pretty sure I was Carlton's first. Wait, that came out wrong.... )

[ALASKA]

awesome

[Truth.]

haven't watched yet. megaupload link added.

[Truth.]

WHAT IN THE FUCK

crazy episode.

[No homo]

i dont even know where or how to begin. episode was bananas.

[Truth.]

alright so more questions we got from this episode:

why did it take the rocket thing 30 more minutes to get to the island than from the time the girl shot it?

what in the hell is that secret room in bens house used for?

why is sayid killing for ben and who is he killing?

is the "economist" important to the story?

why sayid killing these people involves protecting his friends?

and the most important question of all: WHO THE FUCK IS BEN LINUS REALLY?

[SuperFeen]

ok I can handle the Sayid assassin deal and Ben's involvement, but seriously WTF WAS UP WITH THE 30 MINUTE TIME DIFFERENCE

[Lester Maddox]

of course no brown people get philosopher names. fucking racist writers.

I forgot Eko doing my original post. Most likely a variation of Eco for the novelist Umberto Eco who does some philosophy work in semiotics. Also a former Catholic.

Also found this about Sayid.

The names Sayid / Said hold a striking link to Palestinian-American literary theorist, critic and philosopher Edward W. Said (Arabic: إدوارد سعيد ). Among other books on related topics, Edward W. Said wrote Orientalism; a book that reflects on colonization and how the colonizers of a new land start to call the original habitants "the Other".

source

[ALASKA]

who are the last two of the oceanic six? im guessing jin and sun

[ALASKA]

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,2017834 ... 0215-item1

[citizen]

great episode, good link alaska

there has to some connection between the capsule being 31 minutes late and the economist guy calling 30 minutes late