The Official NBA Draft/Offseason Thread

[naturalborn103]

Im talking myself into liking this trade. Swapping picks in 2017 is pretty big as nets will be very old soon and have no picks. Celtics could potentially get 3 straight lottery picks from them. I of course wish they didn't take back wallace contract though. Expiring deals have not gotten much in last few years so he could be here for next 3 years. Anyway, wiggins time.

[Reason]

For those who dont like Noel at the #1, what alternative do you propose for the Cavs?



PEACE

I like Anthony Bennett as one of the few players from this draft that has star potential. I've seen his development at Findlay Prep as a junior to his solid freshman season at UNLV. I see him as a cross between Grand-ma-ma and Elton Brand. If he wasn't currently injured, he'd go higher than where he's projected to go. If he was 6-10, we wouldn't be talking about Noel as the number one overall pick.

Lateral speed on the wing and length to guard the post are a couple of his weaknesses, but offensively, he's going to get his with a smooth inside/outside game.

With Irving, Waiters, and Bennett, that would be a nice young triumvirate to work with, but it ain't gonna come to fruition.

I praised Bennett on page 1 and ripped Noel as well.

* Ahead of the game

big breeze is right tho...

dude is pretty on point when it comes to how certain ncaa guys will pan out in the pros

[Req]

Rivers v Simmons was

[Smithee]

Another one from the Mtn. West that's 5 picks from five different schools, including the #1 overall. Doin' the most.

[Joe Pesci]

[alpha]

so how is this Nets team going to be any better than the C's team that lost the conf finals two years ago and the team they had this past year if Rondo was healthy?

[peanut butter]

So has the Noel/Jrue trade been confirmed yet?


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[alpha]

has to be right? have to think its 100% minus any off the wall shit happening.

really would've like to see a Noel/Davis front line. I think Vasquez is more than serviceable. Not knocking Jrue but I'm not a fan of the trade.
Davis/Noel are both going to get stronger and bigger.

[Big Breeze]

This Boston/Brooklyn deal is bad for Brooklyn. Pierce is done. Terry doesn't have much left either. Garnett can't play a full season as well.

This trade reminds me of when the Eagles shipped Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. If you're trading old parts within your division, it's because you don't think they can hurt you.

They're still a 4-5 seed in the East. The big Russian is going to be fuming at the return on his investment.

[peanut butter]

Don't think Pierce is done. And Garnett is way better as a fifth option than a third.

At worst, the Nets lineup is fourth best in the league. It still may never be good enough to win a championship, but it immediately gets them closer than they would be through draft/free agency.

Ultimately, much of this could come down to Kidd. And he could be in a lot of trouble when up against Spo, Thibz, Vogel, Woody and others


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[alpha]

dumping Wallace, and when PP and KG retire they should have more cap room, right?

[perabigail]

This Boston/Brooklyn deal is bad for Brooklyn. Pierce is done. Terry doesn't have much left either. Garnett can't play a full season as well.

This trade reminds me of when the Eagles shipped Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. If you're trading old parts within your division, it's because you don't think they can hurt you.

They're still a 4-5 seed in the East. The big Russian is going to be fuming at the return on his investment.

which equates to basically nothing. boston will get at least 2 lottery picks out of this and will be the clear winners of this trade when it's all said and done.

[Philaflava]

I hated the trade going to sleep but woke up feeling like the new direction is the best. Holiday was a casualty of a bad managed and operated team, especially since that Bynum deal backfired. They were going nowhere despite his talents.

As good as he was for them, he isn't the guy to lead them deep in the playoffs. I still think he is an outstanding PG, young and very mature too, but this team needed to get young, cheaper and reorganized fast, especially in the East.

This allows them to shed some payroll, gets them another (maybe 2) 1st round picks next year and they still got a nice PG off the boards to step in.

I fully expect them to tank next year but the move should help them in years to come. Boston and BK look fun on paper, but there is nothing happening there for awhile.

[naturalborn103]

has to be right? have to think its 100% minus any off the wall shit happening.

really would've like to see a Noel/Davis front line. I think Vasquez is more than serviceable. Not knocking Jrue but I'm not a fan of the trade.
Davis/Noel are both going to get stronger and bigger.

I don't see how Noel and Davis could of played together. On defense they both look like very good help defenders, but if you get a good big man he can kill both of them 1-1. If you think Noel is going to be good in the league then the trade was great for Philly when you account for how much Holiday is getting paid and how much Noel will be getting paid.

This Boston/Brooklyn deal is bad for Brooklyn. Pierce is done. Terry doesn't have much left either. Garnett can't play a full season as well.

This trade reminds me of when the Eagles shipped Donovan McNabb to the Redskins. If you're trading old parts within your division, it's because you don't think they can hurt you.

They're still a 4-5 seed in the East. The big Russian is going to be fuming at the return on his investment.

I don't think its same as Eagles thing. Celtics are not trying to compete at all so they don't really care if Nets are good for next year or two. Pierce also isn't done and can be real good if his usage and minutes can be controlled. After Rondo got hurt and we was playing point forward a lot it killed him, but he did avg 18.6, 6.3, 4.8 last year. KG, as much I hate hearing sayings like this, is a culture changer. He also could be very good if his minutes and usage is controlled. I think Nets will be pretty good next year even though they have no bench. They will be horrible in 2016, 2017, and 2018 though and C's will be collecting the rewards for it.

[naturalborn103]

Credit goes to Big Breeze for being on Bennett WAY before anyone else was.

Myck Kabongo is ineligible for the season. Bad break for the Longhorns.

Meanwhile, I got to see his fellow Canadian and former high school teammate play last night, Anthony Bennett and he's sick. He was playing against an overmatched Northern Iowa team, but he can do it all. His skill set is ill. He's probably the best freshman in America and should be a top five pick in June.

[capable_keL]

It looks like Franklin plays in some sort of Lugz athletic boots. No wonder he fell this far.



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[naturalborn103]

Simmons got the thinnest skin for someone who hurls out insults all the time. He has been tweeting about Doc all day too.

[Big Breeze]

I have no idea how LA native Solomon Hill got drafted over the better LA native, Allen Crabbe. Can't believe Crabbe fell to the 1st pick in the 2nd either.

The fact that Archie Goodwin got drafted in the first round justifies his decision to leave UK, but he's not better than Crabbe either. Goodwin is going to have to learn how to shoot because he's currently brick city.

Don't know if the telecast mentioned it, but Tony Snell was a high school teammate of Kawhi Leonard. If the Bulls ever decide to move Luol Deng, Jimmy Butler and Snell should help offset him.

Jamaal Franklin probably could have gone higher had he not gotten hurt during the workout process.

Surprised Grant Jarrett even came out for the draft but as a 2nd rounder, he's going to have to work to stay in the league.

Hope James Ennis can stick in the league too. Great athlete, but as a 2nd round selection...you know the drill.

That does it for the LA draft report.


Revised All-LA area NBA 1st team:

G - Russell Westbrook
G - James Harden
F - Kawhi Leonard
F - Paul George
C - Tyson Chandler

I had Paul Pierce in Leonard's spot for OG purposes, but after Leonard's playoff run and strong improvement, he solidifies a role on the 1st team.

[Req]

Simmons got the thinnest skin for someone who hurls out insults all the time. He has been tweeting about Doc all day too.

I thought his reaction was perfectly balanced and reasonable. Thin skinned wouldve been "I'M an idiot??? Screw you Rivers and your shitty D-League kids!!!!"

[Reason]

yea i dunno, i'm kinda siding with simmons but that's mainly b/c i feel like doc has to be bullshittin about not knowing and not having input and shit like that

[naturalborn103]

Seems like Doc didn't know if he wanted to retire or not and Ainge asked him if he would coach other teams who were inquiring about him. He said yea and Ainge went off and made a trade. It wasn't necessarily what Simmons said, but how flustered you see him get and how he is beginning to obsess about it and tweet about it all day today now. Simmons was also pretty horrible, as expected, covering the draft. You can tell all he did was look at youtube clips.

[Big Breeze]

Simmons comes across as someone who doesn't have time to watch college basketball. He's too busy obsessing about his Boston teams, the Clippers or typing 100,000 word columns.

[peanut butter]

Simmons played his role fine on the broadcast last night. He was an honest, funny and entertaining fan. That's what he was supposed to be. ESPN fucked up by surrounding him with Jalen, who was out of his element, and Bilas, who was completely useless. Rece Davis was actually really good too. Most of the night, it seemed like the conversation was ping pong between SImmons and Davis, while Rose and Bilas just deferred. A booth of Simmons, Davis, Fran Fraschilla and Jeff Goodman would have been ideal. But at least we didn't have to suffer through Magic and Wilbon.




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[naturalborn103]

Breeze, what you think about Olynyk? I don't know much about him besides stats guys love him. I was hoping for Schroeder and Rondo trade midseason.

[naturalborn103]

BTW, what the hell the Jazz want another project big man in Gobert?

[Big Breeze]

Breeze, what you think about Olynyk? I don't know much about him besides stats guys love him. I was hoping for Schroeder and Rondo trade midseason.

I don't think much about Olynyk. He won't be able to guard 5's 4's consistently. He lacks the girth, quickness and length to hold his own, no muthafuckin homo obviously.

Maybe offensively he'll be able to stick a jumper or two, but I don't see him as a rotation player or a decent contributor this season. On one hand, I can see him playing a little bit because your C's don't have much going on, but if he doesn't play much given the situation at hand, he may find himself on another team faster than he can blink.

[The Rapping Coffin]

Really like the Celtics trade. 3 first round picks (and a 2017 swap) is a great deal for two old players with huge contracts that had the power of demanding to be traded together because of a no trade clause. You couldn't do much better than that.

Sit Rondo for all of 2013-14 or trade him at the deadline. A rondo, green, wallace, bradley lineup will struggle to score 75 points. I love it!!!!! TANK TANK TANK

[naturalborn103]

^You going to be rooting for Nets next year? I know I will be. I also agree about Rondo. Either sit him all year or showcase him and then trade him. I'd lean towards trading him.

[Reason]

basicaly if u r nerlens noel u bust ur ass to become the next ben wallace...if he can be that he is a steal at 6 and a good swap for holiday and i LOVE holiday

[naturalborn103]

Ben Wallace is top 10-20 player since 00's, so of course it would be a steal if he turned into that. Question is, can he turn into Marcus Camby? If he does that and Hornets pick is high but not in the protected range (1-5, right?) then it is win for 76ers. The difference in salary is huge.

Obviously if Noel is a bust and Hornets get a top 5 pick they win big.