- Artists are posting songs and videos that are increasingly professional and polished. They are clearly hungry and want eyes and ears on their product.
- A lot of music and information is just sitting here in a loop when there's an audience outside that would like to access that information in a a consolidated format, but don't know it exists. Not everyone wants to become a part of this message board, most people pursue information on their own terms. If we have a blog, this info can be reblogged, liked, tweeted, etc. which means it will reach a much larger number of people.
- The blog would not require all that much work. Artists are already posting updates here. We would not have t do any further research or scour the web for content. We just have to funnel it out into the world.
- I am always in search of newer music to incorporate into my writing. A blog dedicated to PF's artist community would bridge TROY and SB, and provide newer ways for the three blogs to work together.
- Not sure if Gloss has any interest whatsoever in hosting a third blog, but since the forum is on his site, I figured it was only fair if the idea was proposed.
- If Gloss is not interested, I'd be interested in maybe partnering up with some of the more web-savvy, active members (yh) here. But we'll cross that bridge if need be later.
Thoughts?
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I think this best point you made here, Thun, is that not everyone wants to be part of this board. With that said, I could see the benefit in this blog. With the right promotion it could be pretty solid.
I know Gloss may be skeptical because I have dropped the ball on a few things here but I am willing to give this a shot if need be.
However, I think a lot of good information is being brought up in this forum so I don't think it would be wise to completely turn this forum into a blog. With HubertGAM coming aboard and vinylpops posting that thread of World Star Hip Hop Rates, this forum could actually help artists in that sense still. Thats my big reason for liking this forum. M2C is opinions/jokes as well as some of her forums. Here, this can help artists out with some direction. So how about updates on the blog of the artists but we keep the forum for informational purposes. I don't think it would be good to get rid of it with some of the newer developments coming up.
I know Gloss may be skeptical because I have dropped the ball on a few things here but I am willing to give this a shot if need be.
However, I think a lot of good information is being brought up in this forum so I don't think it would be wise to completely turn this forum into a blog. With HubertGAM coming aboard and vinylpops posting that thread of World Star Hip Hop Rates, this forum could actually help artists in that sense still. Thats my big reason for liking this forum. M2C is opinions/jokes as well as some of her forums. Here, this can help artists out with some direction. So how about updates on the blog of the artists but we keep the forum for informational purposes. I don't think it would be good to get rid of it with some of the newer developments coming up.
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Yeah I didn't mean to get rid of the forum, at all. I meant simply to have a blog associated with it, where substantive updates (new songs, videos, etc.) can be posted.ardamus wrote:I think this best point you made here, Thun, is that not everyone wants to be part of this board. With that said, I could see the benefit in this blog. With the right promotion it could be pretty solid.
I know Gloss may be skeptical because I have dropped the ball on a few things here but I am willing to give this a shot if need be.
However, I think a lot of good information is being brought up in this forum so I don't think it would be wise to completely turn this forum into a blog. With HubertGAM coming aboard and vinylpops posting that thread of World Star Hip Hop Rates, this forum could actually help artists in that sense still. Thats my big reason for liking this forum. M2C is opinions/jokes as well as some of her forums. Here, this can help artists out with some direction. So how about updates on the blog of the artists but we keep the forum for informational purposes. I don't think it would be good to get rid of it with some of the newer developments coming up.
I propose this as the core team:Philaflava wrote:if we can get another 4-5 more people as enthusiastic as ardamus then this could work. but 2 gung ho posters won't make this a success.
to be affiliated with PF, SB, and TROY can only help drive traffic to this new blog. but i don't want to do all this for nada.
Myself
Keen
Ardamus
vinylpops
And then 1 or 2 more people. I think together we could easily run the blog.
My vision for the blog is pretty simple, really:
1) We start out by creating introductory posts for artists. We get the info by asking artists to submit it. We run those.
2) We follow up on artists by posting updates, which are tagged of course. Again, it will be responsibility of artists to tell us what to update.
3) That's it, really. I don't think we need to update every single day, just as much as artists provide material. In time, it might become useful to add some editorial content that brings attention to certain aspects of what some of the artists are doing, but that's for the future.
Since SB posts links to current music daily, this would be yet another place they could point to. And it would help TROY's writing out because I need new material that is in some way connected to hip hop's past to write about it, and most of the artists here have that as part of their act.
We could easily solicit info from artists here by using sticky threads I think.
Thoughts? Anyone?
Thun wrote:Yeah I didn't mean to get rid of the forum, at all. I meant simply to have a blog associated with it, where substantive updates (new songs, videos, etc.) can be posted.ardamus wrote:I think this best point you made here, Thun, is that not everyone wants to be part of this board. With that said, I could see the benefit in this blog. With the right promotion it could be pretty solid.
I know Gloss may be skeptical because I have dropped the ball on a few things here but I am willing to give this a shot if need be.
However, I think a lot of good information is being brought up in this forum so I don't think it would be wise to completely turn this forum into a blog. With HubertGAM coming aboard and vinylpops posting that thread of World Star Hip Hop Rates, this forum could actually help artists in that sense still. Thats my big reason for liking this forum. M2C is opinions/jokes as well as some of her forums. Here, this can help artists out with some direction. So how about updates on the blog of the artists but we keep the forum for informational purposes. I don't think it would be good to get rid of it with some of the newer developments coming up.
Good thinking, bruh. I have finally caved in and agreed you are the voice of reason on this board. I tip my hat to you, sir.
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I guess the question is how would a blog like this augment this particular forum and in general help PF.com?
I think the answer to that depends on what everyone wants out of the blog.
My particular vision, and I'm not sure this is how it would turn out, is that the blog would foster a growing community within this forum. Just like TROY brought out a million and one bedroom DJs and hardcore fans and collectors from every corner of the globe.
But who are we trying to attract? Are there fans out there that will want to visit this site to follow the artists who happen to post here? Will they be true fans, or opportunistic soundclick rappers who will bug us to promote their weak shit? Do we want any of that here? Right now it seems like this is a very artist-centered forum and maybe most of the artists prefer it that way.
I really don't know the answers.
I think the answer to that depends on what everyone wants out of the blog.
My particular vision, and I'm not sure this is how it would turn out, is that the blog would foster a growing community within this forum. Just like TROY brought out a million and one bedroom DJs and hardcore fans and collectors from every corner of the globe.
But who are we trying to attract? Are there fans out there that will want to visit this site to follow the artists who happen to post here? Will they be true fans, or opportunistic soundclick rappers who will bug us to promote their weak shit? Do we want any of that here? Right now it seems like this is a very artist-centered forum and maybe most of the artists prefer it that way.
I really don't know the answers.
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Let's allow a day for this thread to marinate so we can gauge the response and see who is down to do this.
The core seem great, but I'd like to see if there are any other artists willing to throw their name in the hat as well. Obviously this blog is a collective effort but somebody has to fuel the fire and it can't be just Thun doing it.
The core seem great, but I'd like to see if there are any other artists willing to throw their name in the hat as well. Obviously this blog is a collective effort but somebody has to fuel the fire and it can't be just Thun doing it.
I'm down for whatever, but my time is really thin for the next 6 months because I'm actually being paid for that other site. I like the idea, but I'll throw out my questions/skepticism:
Other than Mike, who churns out content (even that is new, so will that last)?
Why couldn't the bulk of it (videos/Mp3s) be posted on SteadyB?
Are you going to ignore artists like Mindbender, HustleCrowe, etc. because you dislike them? Or other artists because they don't make the music you like or are from Canada? I guess what I'm asking is-- is this totally open to all P artists that actually make "professional sounding" recordings that are released on iTunes/CD?
Will the artists even support it?
The big positive:
I've been thinking about doing this with a group of artists that I enjoy, but I don't think I could gather them together and get them to believe in it. Blogging is like baseball-- statistics mean everything and I don't do Nah Right #'s. Anyways...
What I like about this idea is that is has the chance to be what EVERYONE should be doing-- bringing a network of artists together and releasing music and content under one tree. This also helps the
brand and helps a few artists organize the output of their content better. Is it the proper fit to make things work? That remains to be seen. Ego and relationships=the wall.
When you release music under this one tree, you would send it out to other sites for posting. This, in my opinion, would give some artists a much better chance of getting coverage due to the brand/SteadyB/Troy and help this blog gain popularity because of "exclusive content". It would almost work as a PR camp in a lot of cases.
This is beneficial to a lot of people on here who seem to have zero grasp of what they could do on the internet and/or are lazy (sorry to be blunt). To others, not so much because they have already "figured it out".
Press is press in the end, though. I hope it can work out somehow. Tumblr this one?
Other than Mike, who churns out content (even that is new, so will that last)?
Why couldn't the bulk of it (videos/Mp3s) be posted on SteadyB?
Are you going to ignore artists like Mindbender, HustleCrowe, etc. because you dislike them? Or other artists because they don't make the music you like or are from Canada? I guess what I'm asking is-- is this totally open to all P artists that actually make "professional sounding" recordings that are released on iTunes/CD?
Will the artists even support it?
The big positive:
I've been thinking about doing this with a group of artists that I enjoy, but I don't think I could gather them together and get them to believe in it. Blogging is like baseball-- statistics mean everything and I don't do Nah Right #'s. Anyways...
What I like about this idea is that is has the chance to be what EVERYONE should be doing-- bringing a network of artists together and releasing music and content under one tree. This also helps the
brand and helps a few artists organize the output of their content better. Is it the proper fit to make things work? That remains to be seen. Ego and relationships=the wall. When you release music under this one tree, you would send it out to other sites for posting. This, in my opinion, would give some artists a much better chance of getting coverage due to the brand/SteadyB/Troy and help this blog gain popularity because of "exclusive content". It would almost work as a PR camp in a lot of cases.
This is beneficial to a lot of people on here who seem to have zero grasp of what they could do on the internet and/or are lazy (sorry to be blunt). To others, not so much because they have already "figured it out".
Press is press in the end, though. I hope it can work out somehow. Tumblr this one?
^Word.
I guess we'd have to define the group of artists, the criteria of which would be in my estimation listenable music (polished to a reasonable degree, hopefully very good and visionary, etc.) and a generally positive attitude. This would eliminate people who don't deserve to move beyond the soundclick stage or are just generally insufferable assholes. This can be decided by committee fairly easily, I think.
Maybe there aren't enough artists to work with.
Tumblr could definitely work, as that platform has its own highly efficient way of getting content reproduced and spread out. Sometimes it seems a little to primitive to me but then again it can reach people who don't know what an RSS feed is, which is a huge plus.
As far as Steady B - I can't dictate what they are going to post or not, that's up to that staff. With a more focused blog, if we had artists with enough material, we could promote it much more efficiently I think, in a way that is friendly to the consumer/supporter. Not a dig at SB, but try finding specific shit you like on that blog. The tags are even't posted in the sidebar.
I guess we'd have to define the group of artists, the criteria of which would be in my estimation listenable music (polished to a reasonable degree, hopefully very good and visionary, etc.) and a generally positive attitude. This would eliminate people who don't deserve to move beyond the soundclick stage or are just generally insufferable assholes. This can be decided by committee fairly easily, I think.
Maybe there aren't enough artists to work with.
Tumblr could definitely work, as that platform has its own highly efficient way of getting content reproduced and spread out. Sometimes it seems a little to primitive to me but then again it can reach people who don't know what an RSS feed is, which is a huge plus.
As far as Steady B - I can't dictate what they are going to post or not, that's up to that staff. With a more focused blog, if we had artists with enough material, we could promote it much more efficiently I think, in a way that is friendly to the consumer/supporter. Not a dig at SB, but try finding specific shit you like on that blog. The tags are even't posted in the sidebar.
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VP brings up valid points.
גWill the artists even support?ג
Not speaking on anyone in specific, but in general, artists are usually uneducated, unprofessional, lazy, careless, selfish and stubborn. Thatגs being nice. Now there are plenty of rappers on here who couldnגt be further from that description, but enough to make this blog a success?
Artists are without a doubt going to complain about so and so getting more attention or better feedback. Artists arenגt interested in helping a cause, they want to help themselves and thatגs understandable.
The reason social network sites are successful is because it puts the onus on the end user. The more they put in, the more they get it.
Iגd like to evaluate the whole process by starting this off on Steadybloggin. We can do an artist spotlight once week until weגve done, say 4? We can add a widget on the sidebar that takes you directly to the sections.
גWill the artists even support?ג
Not speaking on anyone in specific, but in general, artists are usually uneducated, unprofessional, lazy, careless, selfish and stubborn. Thatגs being nice. Now there are plenty of rappers on here who couldnגt be further from that description, but enough to make this blog a success?
Artists are without a doubt going to complain about so and so getting more attention or better feedback. Artists arenגt interested in helping a cause, they want to help themselves and thatגs understandable.
The reason social network sites are successful is because it puts the onus on the end user. The more they put in, the more they get it.
Iגd like to evaluate the whole process by starting this off on Steadybloggin. We can do an artist spotlight once week until weגve done, say 4? We can add a widget on the sidebar that takes you directly to the sections.
Thun wrote: This would eliminate people who don't deserve to move beyond the soundclick stage or are just generally insufferable assholes. This can be decided by committee fairly easily, I think.
I think there is (or maybe WAS at one time). A lot of dudes seem to have disappeared or don't really make music that much (Ayentee, damn-- I can't remember a lot of these guys' names). IMO, there is enough to do a Tumblr (pay for one of those nicer, easier to navigate ones that look like a blog) and not take it as serious, but still churn out pretty good stuff. I think the support for a few of these guys is still needed and would be beneficial to everyone in the end. Let's not forget there are some pretty dope producers floating around here too that might want to release remixes/beat tapes. I would also love if someone showed as much love as I do to OME and Intuition so I dont look like such a crazed fanboyMaybe there aren't enough artists to work with.
Besides being "hot" right now, Tumblr is really easy to use. I'm a big supporter of Blogspot over Wordpress (I fucking hate Wordpress), especially if you are doing a smaller, less designed/let me look like a website type of blog. I think the downsides would be the RT/Facebook tools, their horrible servers that seem to be down all the time, etc.Tumblr could definitely work, as that platform has its own highly efficient way of getting content reproduced and spread out. Sometimes it seems a little to primitive to me but then again it can reach people who don't know what an RSS feed is, which is a huge plus.
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Yeah, I'd be down to help/ participate/ contribute as well. We could try to rally stragglers from the Sound Lab since a lot of the posts in that forum at this point showcase producers rapping over their own material. How many contributing artists is enough to make it worth it? It would also serve as a home for the forum-based projects, even if they already get circulation on the other PF-hosted blogs.
ardamus wrote:Liking this conversation a whole lot. Hell yeah, Tumblr is the way to go. Surprised more people are bringing up. I used it for a split second like 2 to 3 years ago.
so did I, and I'm pretty sure I was following you. I abandoned it after about a week because it didn't seem to accomplish anything beyond what the other social networks were doing. Now the shorties blog on it all of the time, and a whole buncha niggas use Tumblr to climb.Thun wrote:ardamus wrote:Liking this conversation a whole lot. Hell yeah, Tumblr is the way to go. Surprised more people are bringing up. I used it for a split second like 2 to 3 years ago.
fucking weird how that shit is more popular now. this broad i was digging out put me onto it. i may need to re-sign up for it now."tim dog! i hope he's scamming bitches in heaven.." - EichTurner
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For artists, it makes more sense than any other blogging option, unless you have ACTUAL web design skills. It's simple, it's customizable enough without being confusing, and you can add just about anything.
Although for something like this, I think the more traditional blog format the other PF blogs use already is probably a smarter route.
Although for something like this, I think the more traditional blog format the other PF blogs use already is probably a smarter route.
I would contribute to this, btw. I don't have a lot of time, but i'm online around 12+ hours out of the day now and will have more flexibility after I move into my new place. I'd also like to work with Thun on this.
How about hooking up a list of "under the radar" Phila artists that post now/used to post (MCs and Producers-- maybe even DJs?). Maybe we can get past artists to come back and be apart of this (as long as everyone agrees with their quality). I remember there being a handful of dudes that were really good but I can't remember their names for the life of me.
I've been thinking about it more and more and I see a lot of potential in this. For some reason I breezed over everything in Thun's first post (ended up reiterating his initial points), but everything he said is on point. It wouldn't take too much effort on either end, but there is too much talent to be ignored.
The only real problem is the artists attitude towards it and the support behind it. And what I mean by that is:
Do artists even want this?
I think there were a few jabs dropped in this thread, but even though I'm not an artist myself, I have a good understanding of why this is a good thing for one (no matter their level of popularity). I can also understand why an artist would be reluctant-- whether it be the "ties to a message board" thing, "I can grind myself" thing, or being affiliated with certain people connected to it thing.
Does the idea of it being exclusive to Phila bother you at all?
If so, I don't think that's a big deal; however, there are perks to it, especially if you have had trouble getting blogosphere love before. I don't know much, but Troy/SteadyB are more popular than people think (way more than I thought). And in my experience with the blogosphere and doing ghost PR for a few artists, sometimes all it takes is a co-sign from another blog or "taste maker." The whole "we have to post it first", "we have to cover everything obscure and not widely covered" can be a fun game to turn on bloggers and make it work for yourself.
Would you support the site at all?
Re-tweets, facebook, etc. Some don't at all but it's kind of important.
Are you weary of being affiliated with other artists from this site?
I'm sure this would cause too much of an ethical uproar if said honestly and aloud, but this might be a problem and I can understand that too.
If there is no issues, then I would love to be apart of it. If there are problems with any of the above than it might die off way too quickly. But that is just my opinion. If there is an interest and support for it, I think it's a great idea and has a lot of potential.
Kind of blabbing a lot, but wanted to get what I was thinking out.
Communal things like this barely ever happen and it's a shame.
How about hooking up a list of "under the radar" Phila artists that post now/used to post (MCs and Producers-- maybe even DJs?). Maybe we can get past artists to come back and be apart of this (as long as everyone agrees with their quality). I remember there being a handful of dudes that were really good but I can't remember their names for the life of me.
I've been thinking about it more and more and I see a lot of potential in this. For some reason I breezed over everything in Thun's first post (ended up reiterating his initial points), but everything he said is on point. It wouldn't take too much effort on either end, but there is too much talent to be ignored.
The only real problem is the artists attitude towards it and the support behind it. And what I mean by that is:
Do artists even want this?
I think there were a few jabs dropped in this thread, but even though I'm not an artist myself, I have a good understanding of why this is a good thing for one (no matter their level of popularity). I can also understand why an artist would be reluctant-- whether it be the "ties to a message board" thing, "I can grind myself" thing, or being affiliated with certain people connected to it thing.
Does the idea of it being exclusive to Phila bother you at all?
If so, I don't think that's a big deal; however, there are perks to it, especially if you have had trouble getting blogosphere love before. I don't know much, but Troy/SteadyB are more popular than people think (way more than I thought). And in my experience with the blogosphere and doing ghost PR for a few artists, sometimes all it takes is a co-sign from another blog or "taste maker." The whole "we have to post it first", "we have to cover everything obscure and not widely covered" can be a fun game to turn on bloggers and make it work for yourself.
Would you support the site at all?
Re-tweets, facebook, etc. Some don't at all but it's kind of important.
Are you weary of being affiliated with other artists from this site?
I'm sure this would cause too much of an ethical uproar if said honestly and aloud, but this might be a problem and I can understand that too.
If there is no issues, then I would love to be apart of it. If there are problems with any of the above than it might die off way too quickly. But that is just my opinion. If there is an interest and support for it, I think it's a great idea and has a lot of potential.
Kind of blabbing a lot, but wanted to get what I was thinking out.
Communal things like this barely ever happen and it's a shame.
Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm a little behind the times on a few things:
Other than Tumblr being trendy at the moment, isn't it dope(r) for people with smart phones and blackberries? Since a lot of the WP/Blogger themes aren't set up for good web viewing, Tumblr is killing em? Which I guess is a good thing because everyone has a smart phone or a web ready phone now.
http://backburnertheme.tumblr.com/
That looks like the blog I do now.
Other than Tumblr being trendy at the moment, isn't it dope(r) for people with smart phones and blackberries? Since a lot of the WP/Blogger themes aren't set up for good web viewing, Tumblr is killing em? Which I guess is a good thing because everyone has a smart phone or a web ready phone now.
http://backburnertheme.tumblr.com/
That looks like the blog I do now.
A tumblr blog is easier to use on a smartphone than most WP blogs, but WP has a plugin that transforms a blog into one easily usable on a smartphone. TROY uses this, SB doesn't. With that plugin, I'd say the playing field is very much equal. Tumblr does have its own app for the iphone, which make its somewhat easier t post (inane and stupid shit) though.vinylpops wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong here, I'm a little behind the times on a few things:
Other than Tumblr being trendy at the moment, isn't it dope(r) for people with smart phones and blackberries? Since a lot of the WP/Blogger themes aren't set up for good web viewing, Tumblr is killing em? Which I guess is a good thing because everyone has a smart phone or a web ready phone now.
http://backburnertheme.tumblr.com/
That looks like the blog I do now.
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