ג€œFelt 3": Cash cow and incestuous promo vehicle

[Employee]

The best way to criticize music is always before you hear it. Myself, I like to wait until the tracklisting comes out to lambast how awful or dope the songs will be off the names & features alone, but length of the album is good too. Maybe the total runtime will leak and we can have a hearty debate over how much more filler has to be in 64:38 vs 52:13 without hearing a note beyond the single & promo music.

I also find it odd to accuse someone who dropped 3 free albums/EPs in the past couple years of doing things strictly to cake up. Granted, people need to earn from it, but it's not like Felt is doing shows and/or moving merch to the level of either member solo. And isn't that where the 'indie megabucks' are made? As with most side projects/collabrative efforts, you actually take a hit from your usual fanbase in attempts to try to expose yourself to their audience & vice versa.

I think you've overestimated the value of Felt stock quite a bit.

the hardcore fanboys (they are many and multiplying) will denounce any criticism as heresy.

:blaowarrow:

[Employee]

I get what Employee is saying. Just don't know why it was said.

Don't know why because...?

I understand an indie rapper not wanting to ruffle Suge Daley's feathers if that is what you're getting at.

[indianaJ0nes]

The best way to criticize music is always before you hear it. Myself, I like to wait until the tracklisting comes out to lambast how awful or dope the songs will be off the names & features alone, but length of the album is good too. Maybe the total runtime will leak and we can have a hearty debate over how much more filler has to be in 64:38 vs 52:13 without hearing a note beyond the single & promo music.

I also find it odd to accuse someone who dropped 3 free albums/EPs in the past couple years of doing things strictly to cake up. Granted, people need to earn from it, but it's not like Felt is doing shows and/or moving merch to the level of either member solo. And isn't that where the 'indie megabucks' are made? As with most side projects/collabrative efforts, you actually take a hit from your usual fanbase in attempts to try to expose yourself to their audience & vice versa.

I think you've overestimated the value of Felt stock quite a bit.

the hardcore fanboys (they are many and multiplying) will denounce any criticism as heresy.

yea dude but sometimes people just criticize for the sake of criticizing...i mean there's really nothing but personal opinion built on the back of speculation behind your argument

if you want to rip the fanboys for protecting their hero, maybe wait until you hear the album first

edit: i've had a crush on slug for 5 years (homo), so i guess my opinion doesn't count either

[Xaula Zany]

This is the first Felt record I have great expectations for. I don't know why I didn't feel that way about the first two, but maybe because I thought of them as EP's. I don't know. It might also be because everyone in the industry is on edge these days. It's forcing people to push themselves more than usual (and or step outside the box and do something unique.) Even the heavy hitters. Or especially the heavy hitters. I'm looking forward to it.

[sean]

it's a little under 70 minutes long, in case that helps anyone hate on it.

we didn't set out to make it so long, but once we got started it became incredibly fun.
aesop and i joked about how this was our version of "wolf in sheep's clothing," and from there we decided to make it a long play.

i think we were also inspired by the fact that nowaday's trend is to make short albums, not many people are making long albums anymore. which was more than enough reason for us to be like, "fuck it, let's fill the damn disc." kinda wish we'd have tacked on a 12 minute acapella track of murs ranting about gluten at the end of the disc.

personally, i believe the album plays better than either of the prior felts projects.
but...
a) my opinion on my own music is moot.
b) it isn't difficult to top the other two felt projects.

ok. bi.

http://www.philaflava.com/forum/viewtop ... 43#1957043

[DLG]

b) it isn't difficult to top the other two felt projects.

[ThaMexakin]

I get point trying to be made, but its just doesn't hold up to me. The first felt album is one on my favorite slug projects, and I definitely didn't expect as much with grouch producing it, it does feel incredibly short though- on the other hand, felt 2 seems to long and overall meh even with ants production, and I like the majority of his production. In the end you just gotta listen to the finished project, sometimes you can be surprised by an album in the end even going in with certain expectations. If its anything like the first felt, I will take 30 tracks, if its like felt 2, five will do. Also I like aesop's production so far from what I have heard, and it will be interesting to see what he can do given a project like this.

[Buddahbastid]

the hardcore fanboys (they are many and multiplying) will denounce any criticism as heresy.

yeah, because I expect someone to actually listen to an audio medium before criticizing it, I could only be an extreme, artist-can-do-no-wrong, fanboy.

Next are you going to review books by page counts and paintings by canvas size before reading or viewing them?

[sean]

Suge Daley

THE PROPER MONIKER IS SUGE LITE!!!


hellbound.

[Galapagos4]

aesop and i joked about how this was our version of "wolf in sheep's clothing," and from there we decided to make it a long play.

whoa there. there better be a LASM skit on there then.

[Reggie]

El-P toured with Sage Francis and Bernard Dolan, and they all got along! It's the dawn of a new day! Throw away your clannish views of hip-hop! Nobody is wasting nobody!



"Caaan yooouu diiiig iiiiit?!"

[sean]

whoa there. there better be a LASM skit on there then.

whole album is one big LASM skit.

sidenote, you're gonna have to take off your colors if you're gonna pass through this neighborhood.

[Galapagos4]

whoa there. there better be a LASM skit on there then.

whole album is one big LASM skit.

sidenote, you're gonna have to take off your colors if you're gonna pass through this neighborhood.

it's just our mark, it don't mean we're at war

[dirtybird]

i just wanna know why you chose the worst legend out of the bunch to make a series of albums with?

[sean]

i just wanna know why you chose the worst legend out of the bunch to make a series of albums with?

in my opinion, i think murs is quite talented.

but to humor your question,
as possibly stated prior in this thread, it's not about talent, it's not about money, it's not about pushing the envelope.
it's a friendship thing.

much like what goes through the mind of anyone who raps on those beats you make.

[Tweak Da Leak]

I always thought Murs was a good rapper

not the greatest lyrical guy and not the best flow in the world but the nigga can make a good album shit a nigga was bumpin murs rules the world around the same time i was onthat deep puddle shit

we had 30 piru niggas at the project blowed open mic one night shuttin shit down niggas was gassin

[iCONtheMicKing]

much like what goes through the mind of anyone who raps on those beats you make.

i like how he makes these look like alley-oops.

[self]

seems like a couple of friends saying hey lets make a record together... whats the problem i don't get it...

[dirtybird]

i just wanna know why you chose the worst legend out of the bunch to make a series of albums with?

in my opinion, i think murs is quite talented.

but to humor your question,
as possibly stated prior in this thread, it's not about talent, it's not about money, it's not about pushing the envelope.
it's a friendship thing.

much like what goes through the mind of anyone who raps on those beats you make.

i just lost all will to continue to make beats
but yes, friends

[Solo45]

Aesop Rock is a household name?

Absolutely. Within the indie world, yeah. No offense with this, but you two exist within the same genre. Your MySpace hits: 117674. Aesop Rock's MySpace hits: 3,863,082. Dude's not exactly confined to Soundclick.

I see what your getting at with the "giving unknown producers a chance to shine" but thats never really been a mission to any of the FELT projects so far. It seems to be more of a "Lets do a collaboration album in a week with a producer we know and see what happens".

Word. Check my response to Slug. I think I addressed this.

I still get what your aiming towards but... Im basically nothing in the music world yet, my myspace stats going from 2007 with no label/add robots/ or anybody really having ANY knowledge of my music for the most part. Im still paying dues, and I have a long way to go. Slug/Murs & Aesop have been paying dues since the 90's. They built up a nice thing for themselves. They have all collaborated at some point in their careers. I think this project is a good look for any fan of the 3 of them. Plus I think Slug deserves props for the fact that he rocks with A LOT of cats who are still on that come up.

I think at this point in the rap game, Its so rare when artists naturally get together and collaborate without the influence of Ego Boosting or Payola. That knocking this project is pointless when other virtually new jack emcees are paying for Xerox copies of Illmatics production line up and releasing drink coasters. M2C

[Nathan Blaze]

i just wanna know why you chose the worst legend out of the bunch to make a series of albums with?

in my opinion, i think murs is quite talented.

but to humor your question,
as possibly stated prior in this thread, it's not about talent, it's not about money, it's not about pushing the envelope.
it's a friendship thing.

much like what goes through the mind of anyone who raps on those beats you make.

i just lost all will to continue to make beats
but yes, friends

[Employee]

i just wanna know why you chose the worst legend out of the bunch to make a series of albums with?

That's an absurd statement even by my standards.

Murs on "Morocco Mike" >>>>> Over you, your thoughts, your opinions, your ideas, your reason for living etc.

[Employee]

it's not about money

Shirts on the market now for $17.99 doesn't lend much credence to your claim. Like I said, it's only sensible to want to see a return on your investment, but at least be honest about the financial aspect.

[Employee]

That knocking this project is pointless when other virtually new jack emcees are paying for Xerox copies of Illmatics production line up and releasing drink coasters. M2C

I have no doubt you genuinely feel that way.

But if you did, you wouldn't speak on it. Why place yourself in the path of a potential backlash?

[Employee]

seems like a couple of friends saying hey lets make a record together... whats the problem i don't get it...

It's not a particular problem. In my opinion, it's a cheap, safe marketing ploy guaranteeing a generous payday that doesn't achieve much beyond fanboy approval and Yes Man dap.

A problem is a flat tire. A rotten apple. A brush with idneity theft. A bout of indigestion.

[dirtybird]

i just wanna know why you chose the worst legend out of the bunch to make a series of albums with?

That's an absurd statement even by my standards.

Murs on "Morocco Mike" >>>>> Over you, your thoughts, your opinions, your ideas, your reason for living etc.

alright, grouch and murs are in for the tie.

also, that insult just inspired me start making beats again.

thanks

[Drastik]

A problem is a flat tire. A rotten apple. A brush with idneity theft. A bout of indigestion.

Thanks, fag.

[Drastik]

also, that insult just inspired me start making beats again.

Again: Thanks, fag. You see what you've done, Emp?

[Knoxx]

b) it isn't difficult to top the other two felt projects.

Didn't feel the first project much but I think the second one has a lot of replay value. Looking forward to this one for sure.

[Solo45]

That knocking this project is pointless when other virtually new jack emcees are paying for Xerox copies of Illmatics production line up and releasing drink coasters. M2C

I have no doubt you genuinely feel that way.

But if you did, you wouldn't speak on it. Why place yourself in the path of a potential backlash?

Anytime you have an opinion you can get "backlash".

I just came in here to drop 2 cents about this album, Because im actually looking forward to listening to this one.

I never listened to the first FELT, The 2nd one was alright, But I think Aesop Rock could potentially add a nice sound to the project. I liked his production on "None Shall Pass", And the beat on the track that leaked was dope. If theres 21 tracks of shit on that playing field I think there might be a tight album on the way. I dont think any real "opinion" can be cast until the album is released and absorbed for at least a 2-3 spins tho.