Lost - Season 5

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:25 pm

^^ y that's what i'm leaning towards too

something that just occured to me too, when Richard says 'i watched them all die' we don't know if he's refering to the incident, the hydrogen bomb, or the dharma purge that ben linus orchestrated....

and how the fuck is everyone just ignoring the fact that a hydrogen bomb definitely would kill everyone on the island regardless of possibly nullifying the incident. it's not an either/or, it's more like in both cases everybody dies but in one case it might stop the chain.

if it does actually stop the chain of events that leads to the crash it also creates a nifty paradox. to do it they have to die in 1977, but if it becomes so they never crashed to begin with how could they have time traveled and died in 1977?

unless they get off the island before setting off the bomb.

my head hurts even more

Truth. · Post by **Truth.** » Thu May 07, 2009 3:53 pm

jacob is definitely gonna end up being someone we know

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Thu May 07, 2009 4:51 pm

drizzle wrote:THAT's who that is, i was trying to remember what else Ben's dad was in

he was also in real genius with val kilmer, i believe his character name was Lazlo and he was the tech guy at the radio station on Martin.

TheEnglishProfessorGuy · Thu May 07, 2009 5:04 pm

Truth. wrote:jacob is definitely gonna end up being someone we know

If you Youtube "Lost jacob" you will see lots of theories about who he is.

It has been confirmed by the producers that it is someone we have seen before...only briefly...and without a speaking role.

Someone said its one of the guys helping Jack pull people out of burning wreckage in the Pilot of season 1.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Thu May 07, 2009 5:19 pm

well when hurley stumbles onto the cabin he sees a man in the window right - something like that would fit well with how these torturing me with riddles motherfuckers think

LilLeftBrain · Post by **LilLeftBrain** » Thu May 07, 2009 6:25 pm

when Hurley stumbled on the cabin, the dude he saw looked a shitload like Mikhail.
We've seen Alvar Hanso a few times and he never had a speaking part, to my memory.
But, I'm hoping it's not a physical person. Some sort of all encompassing island mojo shit that Richard's been retaining for years behind that circle of ash around the cabin.

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Thu May 07, 2009 8:59 pm

What if jacob ends up being someone from the mental institution with hurley and all this is just his imagination. They never explained the hurley libby connection from way back when

Kelron · Post by **Kelron** » Thu May 07, 2009 10:15 pm

drizzle wrote: something that just occured to me too, when Richard says 'i watched them all die' we don't know if he's refering to the incident, the hydrogen bomb, or the dharma purge that ben linus orchestrated....

if it does actually stop the chain of events that leads to the crash it also creates a nifty paradox. to do it they have to die in 1977, but if it becomes so they never crashed to begin with how could they have time traveled and died in 1977?

unless they get off the island before setting off the bomb.

The ONLY plausible event in this scenario is that the bomb CAUSES the incident, The incident, as with all other 'time flashes' returns Jack and everyone back to the future (present) hence the whole 'destiny' theme Eloise was talking about.

People who die on the island are dead. People who die off the island and are brought to the island are alive again hence Locke and Christian. It is possible Richard died on the Black Rock prior to coming to the island, got resurrected, and doesn't age. The others became others after they were 'infected' by smokey and those who aren't infected are killed/purged hence Rousseau and the Dharma folk. Smokey vanced Locke early in the first season and didn't kill him (Ben was the only other who met with smokey and didn't get mashed up by it) and Locke denied the meeting when Charlie asked him about it.

Why, if according to Ben, if no one has met Jacob other than Richard, would Locke or the island want him dead? Let's say Jacob is part of a Other brainwashing technique - remeber Carl - based on legend of Jacob originated by Richard to keep the others in line. If that was so wrong, smokey would have judged Richard and offed him. But smokey is in Lockes corner and told Ben to follow suit.....so is it Smokey vs Jacob?

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:13 am

Kelron wrote: People who die on the island are dead. People who die off the island and are brought to the island are alive again hence Locke and Christian. It is possible Richard died on the Black Rock prior to coming to the island, got resurrected, and doesn't age.

this is an interesting idea, but two things are a little off here. One is that all the people the island 'resurrected' seem to know a shitload about what's going on, and after this week it doesn't seem like Richard is on the same level of knowledge. Another is that Alexandra and possibly Adabese's brother both died on the island, and seemed to have come back.

also, a little extention of the second thing, all the ghosts that visited hurley died on the island as well, although we don't know if they're the same as Lock and Jack's father

chapter thrive · Post by **chapter thrive** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:18 pm

what if locke is bringing the others (his people now) to "kill" jacob in the sense that he is going to prove he doesnt really exist, thus "killing" the idea of this omnipotent being who approves/disapproves of the other's actions and directs from behind the curtain.

sorry if thats what others have been trying to get at, the idea just came to me.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:25 pm

if jacob turns out to be not real, i might stop watching the show altogether. gayest possible scenario ever.

Website · Post by **Random Sample** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:29 pm

I think that Locke already knows what is going to happen when he goes to see Jacob.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:37 pm

Maybe Walt is the next Jacob, and Locke is kinda like John the Baptist preparing the way for him. Except he already fuccced up by not bringing him back

Shup Diddy · Post by **Shup Diddy** » Fri May 08, 2009 2:52 pm

drizzle wrote:Maybe Walt is the next Jacob, and Locke is kinda like John the Baptist preparing the way for him. Except he already fuccced up by not bringing him back

lmao@"im gonna take everyone to see jacob, but we gotta go off the island cause i forgot the nigga"

No homo · Post by **No homo** » Fri May 08, 2009 6:04 pm

drizzle wrote:if jacob turns out to be not real, i might stop watching the show altogether. gayest possible scenario ever.

yeah right.

daedal · Post by **daedal** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:10 pm

The other idea is that killing Jacob is what he wants.

When Locke was first brought to the cabin, he heard Jacob say "help me"

LilLeftBrain · Post by **LilLeftBrain** » Fri May 08, 2009 9:20 pm

daedal wrote:The other idea is that killing Jacob is what he wants.

When Locke was first brought to the cabin, he heard Jacob say "help me"

Thats essentially what I was trying to get at before, that Richard/Ben (and previous 'leaders') were containing whatever Jacob is inside the cabin via the circle of ash, to use the island for themselves. Locke is trying to help Jacob by either killing him or relieving him of his enclosure (mayhap the same thing).

Truth. · Post by **Truth.** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:01 pm

i read that we are gonna find out who those 2 skeletons are in the cave from season 1 possibly in the finale

alpha · Post by **alpha** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:05 pm

the finale is gonna be one huge mindfuck.... and i cant wait!

Truth. · Post by **Truth.** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:07 pm

you ever gonna change your sig?

alpha · Post by **alpha** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:11 pm

Truth. wrote: you ever gonna change your sig?

i dont post here enough anymore to change it. but since u mentioned it...

Kelron · Post by **Kelron** » Fri May 08, 2009 10:58 pm

Lost's Ben: The Finale Will Make You Eat Your Soul

http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_wi ... topstories

Truth. · Post by **Truth.** » Sat May 09, 2009 1:09 am

jesus

mike eagle · Post by **mike eagle** » Mon May 11, 2009 2:32 am

Im the only one thats stilll suspecting Juliet of being incredibly full of shit?

Tommy Bunz · Post by **Tommy Bunz** » Mon May 11, 2009 9:25 am

comment from that article Kelron posted

I think that when John and co. go to kill Jacob, they'll find that Jacob is really an aged, future version of Jack Shepherd! That's why his family members, Christian Shepherd and Claire, are working for/helping him!!!

Interesting.
Finale is going to be ridiculous. No way they actually set of the H-bomb, wouldn't it literally destroy the entire island?

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Mon May 11, 2009 11:32 am

i really don't like the jack is jacob thing. jack's a little crybaby faggot

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:37 pm

Truth. wrote:i read that we are gonna find out who those 2 skeletons are in the cave from season 1 possibly in the finale

its gotta be rose and bernard right?

citizen · Post by **citizen** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:38 pm

just watched follow the leader, incredible season 1-2 steez, even had the return of the traveling music, so excited for the finale and i cant even think of what could happen in season 6

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:47 pm

drizzle wrote:i really don't like the jack is jacob thing. jack's a little crybaby faggot

it makes sense considering Jacob saying "Help me" is essentially cry baby in nature.

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Mon May 11, 2009 12:47 pm

ALASKA wrote:
Truth. wrote:i read that we are gonna find out who those 2 skeletons are in the cave from season 1 possibly in the finale
its gotta be rose and bernard right?

what's the emoticon for "MIND..............BLOWN"