Official 2008-2009 NBA Regular Season Thread

naturalborn103 · Post by **naturalborn103** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:58 am

bringinoutbangerz wrote:they were tops in the east before the injuries started piling up.

When was this?

HomeSkillet · Post by **HomeSkillet** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:04 pm

naturalborn103 wrote:
bringinoutbangerz wrote:they were tops in the east before the injuries started piling up.
When was this?

last season before Gilbert blew out his knee

naturalborn103 · Post by **naturalborn103** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:10 pm

HomeSkillet wrote:
naturalborn103 wrote:
bringinoutbangerz wrote:they were tops in the east before the injuries started piling up.
When was this?
last season before Gilbert blew out his knee

They where 3-5 before he got hurt last year...

bringinoutbangerz · Post by **bringinoutbangerz** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:22 pm

naturalborn103 wrote:
HomeSkillet wrote:
naturalborn103 wrote:
bringinoutbangerz wrote:they were tops in the east before the injuries started piling up.
When was this?
last season before Gilbert blew out his knee
They where 3-5 before he got hurt last year...

07, Eddie Jordan coached the east all-stars. Wiz had best record in the east. Antawn gets hurt, then faggot Gerald Wallace kicks out Gilbert's knee, Butler breaks his thumb, swept by Cavs. Next season Gilbert doesn't play till march, Butler tears hip ligament, lose to Cavs again. This season: failure throughout because Gilbert/Haywood/Stevenson/Butler miss significant time with injuries. It's a glorious history you all should be familiar with.

naturalborn103 · Post by **naturalborn103** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 2:28 pm

bringinoutbangerz wrote:
naturalborn103 wrote:
HomeSkillet wrote:
naturalborn103 wrote:
bringinoutbangerz wrote:they were tops in the east before the injuries started piling up.
When was this?
last season before Gilbert blew out his knee
They where 3-5 before he got hurt last year...

07, Eddie Jordan coached the east all-stars. Wiz had best record in the east. Antawn gets hurt, then faggot Gerald Wallace kicks out Gilbert's knee, Butler breaks his thumb, swept by Cavs. Next season Gilbert doesn't play till march, Butler tears hip ligament, lose to Cavs again. This season: failure throughout because Gilbert/Haywood/Stevenson/Butler miss significant time with injuries. It's a glorious history you all should be familiar with.

The east in 07 was HORRIBLE... Wizards play the same way they played in 07 and had no injuries this year they would still be 4 or 5 and not have a chance of beating Boston, Orlando, or Cleveland.

HomeSkillet · Post by **HomeSkillet** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 3:22 pm

naturalborn103 wrote:
bringinoutbangerz wrote:
naturalborn103 wrote:
HomeSkillet wrote:
naturalborn103 wrote: When was this?
last season before Gilbert blew out his knee
They where 3-5 before he got hurt last year...

07, Eddie Jordan coached the east all-stars. Wiz had best record in the east. Antawn gets hurt, then faggot Gerald Wallace kicks out Gilbert's knee, Butler breaks his thumb, swept by Cavs. Next season Gilbert doesn't play till march, Butler tears hip ligament, lose to Cavs again. This season: failure throughout because Gilbert/Haywood/Stevenson/Butler miss significant time with injuries. It's a glorious history you all should be familiar with.
The east in 07 was HORRIBLE... Wizards play the same way they played in 07 and had no injuries this year they would still be 4 or 5 and not have a chance of beating Boston, Orlando, or Cleveland.

Yeah but they didn't have Mcguire, Mcgee, Young or a Blatche that was old enough to legally drink or Blake Griffin in 07- I'm pretty happy with the progress the young guys made this year

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 5:23 pm

You guys are gonna jinx yourself and end up with Greg Monroe.

Hayzoos · Post by **Hayzoos** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:03 pm

I really hope OKC gets Blake Griffin. A team with Durant, Westbrook, Green and Griffin would be so dope to watch and see develop.

Tweak Da Leak · Post by **Tweak Da Leak** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 7:21 pm

Hayzoos wrote:I really hope OKC gets Blake Griffin. A team with Durant, Westbrook, Green and Griffin would be so dope to watch and see develop.

would you have Green come off the bench as a 3/4 or run small ball and put Blake at C?

Hayzoos · Post by **Hayzoos** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 8:12 pm

Tweak Da Leak wrote:
Hayzoos wrote:I really hope OKC gets Blake Griffin. A team with Durant, Westbrook, Green and Griffin would be so dope to watch and see develop.
would you have Green come off the bench as a 3/4 or run small ball and put Blake at C?

This would be the line up:

Westbrook
Thabo
Durant
Green
Griffin

All it's changing is taking Kristic out of the starting line up and replacing him with a complete beast. I don't know wtf you're questioning here.

capable_keL · Post by **capable_keL** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:45 pm

the NBA should just eliminate the charge rule, just eliminate the whole incentive for players to run up under other players

im getting sick of watching brian cardinal almost end guy's season

eternalreflection · Post by **eternalreflection** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 9:53 pm

ugh I guess the battle for homecourt between Cleveland and LA will go down to the wire, with Clev just giving up 2games back to back, they just need to match LA to hold on, but well anything can happen now

this is such a beatdown by Orlando, who for a while looked like they weren't a contender but seem to be back in force

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:32 pm

What the fuck happened to Cleveland tonight? I caught the tail-end of the game and was like

. I thought maybe LeBron got hurt or something.

And for the job he did this year Stan Van Gundy deserves to be Coach of the Year.

eternalreflection · Post by **eternalreflection** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:37 pm

Money Gripp wrote:What the fuck happened to Cleveland tonight? I caught the tail-end of the game and was like . I thought maybe LeBron got hurt or something.

And for the job he did this year Stan Van Gundy deserves to be Coach of the Year.

its not too often you can go on a 20-6 run and still be down 26

wait Yao shoot's the technicals for Houston? I know he's a good FT shooter for a Center, but still odd for it to not be a guard

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:05 pm

OKC doesn't need Griffin as surprising as that may sound.

they need a Thabeet. Griffin will be an awesome offensive force. But if OKC is gonna draft him, they might as well trade Green and for a defensive big man to man the paint. They can stockpile all the offensive talent that they want but in the end, there is one basketball and they need to make a team......not a squad full of talented basketball players.

Griffin is probably the only player in this draft who is a surefire franchise player (unless Ricky Rubio is in the draft too) but they already have a franchise player and they have 2 players that look like they can be really good sidekicks. They really do need an anchor on defense and on the boards.

Tired & Broke · Post by **Tired & Broke** » Sat Apr 04, 2009 9:22 am

Gregg Popabitch wrote:OKC doesn't need Griffin as surprising as that may sound.

they need a Thabeet. Griffin will be an awesome offensive force. But if OKC is gonna draft him, they might as well trade Green and for a defensive big man to man the paint. They can stockpile all the offensive talent that they want but in the end, there is one basketball and they need to make a team......not a squad full of talented basketball players.

Griffin is probably the only player in this draft who is a surefire franchise player (unless Ricky Rubio is in the draft too) but they already have a franchise player and they have 2 players that look like they can be really good sidekicks. They really do need an anchor on defense and on the boards.

That's why the Chandler trade looked so promising.

eternalreflection · Post by **eternalreflection** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:24 pm

quite the rebound game from Cleveland

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:52 pm

If you like offense and HATE defense, I suggest you tune in to this Suns-Mavs game.

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:35 pm

If Chris Paul continues on this pace, he will be the first player in NBA history to finish the season shooting at least 50% from the field, 85% from the line, and average at least 5 rebounds per game, 10 assists per game, 2 steals per game, and 20 points per game.

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:36 pm

Well, it's not even the end of the 1st half but I think we can say the Suns season is over.

eternalreflection · Post by **eternalreflection** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:41 pm

Gregg Popabitch wrote:If Chris Paul continues on this pace, he will be the first player in NBA history to finish the season shooting at least 50% from the field, 85% from the line, and average at least 5 rebounds per game, 10 assists per game, 2 steals per game, and 20 points per game.

is it possible to be a top4 player and still be under-appreciated?

lol at Kidd getting an assist for an inbound pass, to a guy that hits a 3/4 court shot at the buzzer

it was the assist that moved him past Magic on the alltime list lol

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:47 pm

he was going to get that assist to pass Magic later on anyways.

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:48 pm

eternalreflection wrote:
Gregg Popabitch wrote:If Chris Paul continues on this pace, he will be the first player in NBA history to finish the season shooting at least 50% from the field, 85% from the line, and average at least 5 rebounds per game, 10 assists per game, 2 steals per game, and 20 points per game.
is it possible to be a top4 player and still be under-appreciated?

when people say Deron Williams is better, yes.

The Rapping Coffin · Post by **The Rapping Coffin** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:12 pm

Gregg Popabitch wrote:OKC doesn't need Griffin as surprising as that may sound.

they need a Thabeet.
.

Thabeet has NBA stiff written all over him. Soft as a marshmallow with stone hands.

Gregg Popabitch wrote:

Griffin is probably the only player in this draft who is a surefire franchise player

Griffin has a Carlos Boozer ceiling to me, and that's if he learns to play defense. His lack of hustle and basketball IQ was appalling against North Carolina.

Gregg Popabitch wrote:
eternalreflection wrote:
Gregg Popabitch wrote:If Chris Paul continues on this pace, he will be the first player in NBA history to finish the season shooting at least 50% from the field, 85% from the line, and average at least 5 rebounds per game, 10 assists per game, 2 steals per game, and 20 points per game.
is it possible to be a top4 player and still be under-appreciated?
when people say Deron Williams is better, yes.

I completely disagree with the article I'm about to post but I found it interesting.

In one of your earlier columns this season you rated Deron Williams higher than Chris Paul. In the long run, which of the two do you think has the potential to have the better career? ג Albert Tolents, Pampanga, Philippines

Williams, and here's why:

# He's much stronger than CP3 and should therefore be more resistant to serious injuries.

# Because of his size and strength, Williams can post up smaller opponents (like Paul), and can avoid being posted himself (unlike Paul).

# It should be expected that an injury or Father Time will eventually diminish Paul's amazing speed and quickness ג and when speed guards lose a step, their effectiveness is greatly reduced.

# Williams is much more versatile, so much so that it's not inconceivable he could make a successful switch to the shooting-guard spot as he ages.

# Williams is a much, much better jump-shooter than CP3.

# Whereas Paul does most of his half-court scoring in conjunction with high screen/rolls, Williams benefits from weak-side screens, staggered screens, and isolations.

# Williams goes left better than Paul.

# In half-court situations, Williams' power makes him a better finisher.

# Paul is a sniper-type defender, while Williams' defense is more fundamental and less chancy.

None of this is meant to suggest that Paul is anything less than the most dangerous speed guard in the league. He's also an incredible passer, and he plays in a system that maximizes his considerable skills.

But, I'll bet your mortgage that Williams will have a better all-around career than Paul.

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:56 pm

did they really take out Kidd, thus spoiling his chances of being the first player to have 20 points and 20 assists in a game this year?

it woulda been the first time that happened since ramon sessions did it last year.

Hayzoos · Post by **Hayzoos** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:37 pm

Gregg Popabitch wrote:If Chris Paul continues on this pace, he will be the first player in NBA history to finish the season shooting at least 50% from the field, 85% from the line, and average at least 5 rebounds per game, 10 assists per game, 2 steals per game, and 20 points per game.

Oh, ok.

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:10 pm

The Rapping Coffin wrote:
Gregg Popabitch wrote:OKC doesn't need Griffin as surprising as that may sound.

they need a Thabeet.
.
Thabeet has NBA stiff written all over him. Soft as a marshmallow with stone hands.

Gregg Popabitch wrote:

Griffin is probably the only player in this draft who is a surefire franchise player

Griffin has a Carlos Boozer ceiling to me, and that's if he learns to play defense. His lack of hustle and basketball IQ was appalling against North Carolina.

1. Thabeet being a help on offense is something i never implied. When i see the word stiff, i think unathletic. For someone that is 7'3, i think he's pretty athletic. His value comes strictly on the defensive end. His help defense will be tremendous imo. He does need to get a bit stronger though.

2. are you judging him simply off the UNC game? He is turnover prone but that is because he tries to do too much not because he has bad IQ. I didn't see much lack of hustle in the games that i've seen him play. He does suck on defense though. I think his ceiling is higher then Boozer's. mainly because I think Blake is much more athletic and his offensive game is more dynamic then boozer's was coming out of college.

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:19 pm

The Rapping Coffin wrote:
Gregg Popabitch wrote:
eternalreflection wrote:
Gregg Popabitch wrote:If Chris Paul continues on this pace, he will be the first player in NBA history to finish the season shooting at least 50% from the field, 85% from the line, and average at least 5 rebounds per game, 10 assists per game, 2 steals per game, and 20 points per game.
is it possible to be a top4 player and still be under-appreciated?
when people say Deron Williams is better, yes.
I completely disagree with the article I'm about to post but I found it interesting.

In one of your earlier columns this season you rated Deron Williams higher than Chris Paul. In the long run, which of the two do you think has the potential to have the better career? ג Albert Tolents, Pampanga, Philippines

Williams, and here's why:

# He's much stronger than CP3 and should therefore be more resistant to serious injuries.

# Because of his size and strength, Williams can post up smaller opponents (like Paul), and can avoid being posted himself (unlike Paul).

# It should be expected that an injury or Father Time will eventually diminish Paul's amazing speed and quickness ג and when speed guards lose a step, their effectiveness is greatly reduced.

# Williams is much more versatile, so much so that it's not inconceivable he could make a successful switch to the shooting-guard spot as he ages.

# Williams is a much, much better jump-shooter than CP3.

# Whereas Paul does most of his half-court scoring in conjunction with high screen/rolls, Williams benefits from weak-side screens, staggered screens, and isolations.

# Williams goes left better than Paul.

# In half-court situations, Williams' power makes him a better finisher.

# Paul is a sniper-type defender, while Williams' defense is more fundamental and less chancy.

None of this is meant to suggest that Paul is anything less than the most dangerous speed guard in the league. He's also an incredible passer, and he plays in a system that maximizes his considerable skills.

But, I'll bet your mortgage that Williams will have a better all-around career than Paul.

Some of these things I agree with and some I do not.

I think we talked about the shelf life of shorter PGs here last year. The chances of Deron Williams having a longer career then Paul is pretty high. There is one exception to the "shorter, quicker PGs die quicker" theory.......John Stockton. Whether Chris Paul is closer to John Stockton or closer to Isiah thomas, we'll have to wait and see.

Gregg Popabitch1 · Post by **Gregg Popabitch1** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:20 pm

Hayzoos wrote:
Gregg Popabitch wrote:If Chris Paul continues on this pace, he will be the first player in NBA history to finish the season shooting at least 50% from the field, 85% from the line, and average at least 5 rebounds per game, 10 assists per game, 2 steals per game, and 20 points per game.
Oh, ok.

What?

did Derrick Rose do this already?!?!

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Sun Apr 05, 2009 10:35 pm

maybe this is the wrong thread (making a "fantasy basketball playoff loss" thread seemed pointless) but losing in TWO different fantasy leagues in the semi finals by both a turnover and 2 missed free throws is slightly less infuriating then being bitch slapped.
todays games were fucking abysmal blowouts. FML.

big shout out to all you perennial 3rd placers like myself.