Galvatron78 wrote:HOLY SHIT!!!! He shocked the world!!
For real!! There was like 11 punches thrown in this fight, 8 of them were from Fedor and Werdum didn't land a single punch. Unbelievable.
It was the perfect storm. I'm shocked but not too shocked. I think EVERYONE that watches Fedor had a feeling about this fight. I still thought he'd win of course but i've never felt such an nervous feeling before from his fans. Hopefully now i can stop feeling like I need to puke everytime he fights.
Word. Fedor looked pretty out of shape, maybe that's related to the Rodgers fight. I guess I tuned in online just to see another Fedor 1st round KO tonight so I was shocked. Just have never seen him so dominated and I've been following him for a minute.
bbatson1 wrote:Werdum just blew Overeem the fuck off lol. Strikeforce is such a two bit org it's nuts. The got greedy not having Fedor vs Reem and wanted this first to build it. Fedor loses and tells the champ to go fuck himself basicly.
That was dope. I'd like to see a rematch, assuming Fedor can make some adjustments. Not sure it's a great fight for Fedor though as he was basically completely mismatched in every physical category of this fight (not that that was ever a problem for him in the past).
Where does Fedor go from here? He surprisingly looked way out of his element tonight. Never seen him like that. With this and the Machida/Shogun fight, MMA seems pretty unpredictable right now.
you didn't think shogun was going to smash machida's face into his eye? cause i did...
Where does Fedor go from here? He surprisingly looked way out of his element tonight. Never seen him like that. With this and the Machida/Shogun fight, MMA seems pretty unpredictable right now.
you didn't think shogun was going to smash machida's face into his eye? cause i did...
I thought Shogun would win, but like Fedor tonight, just didn't expect him to get so dominated. Had never seen Machida so helpless.
The worst part for me is the fact that it was a triangle choke, to me the triangle has always been one of those moves that if you get put in it all you can do is go "D'OH!!!!"....BJJ wins again LOL.
Fedor is stil and always will be the greatest fighter ever. I'm not buying into that oh he's not in the UFC bullshit. He lost to a two time adcc champion who's 6'4" and fedor had NO sweat on him.
Also, i know i'm being a bit nit picky. ... but if you watch the fight right when Fedor gets in his guard and Werdum grabs him you see him turn a bit into the cage and sort of get stuck and that's when Werdum gets his grip tight. In pride he could have still turned and scooted his but between the ropes to control his weight. ALLLLLLLLLLLLLl the props in the world to Werdum, just something i noticed.
eternalreflection wrote:it was sloppy that's all there is to it
Silva got sloppy and caught in a leg scissor, it can happen to anyone
This.
Still haven't seen it, but I'm watching the replay now. If anyone says, "Well, he's no longer the best heavyweight to ever compete", they're putting too much into this one fight. On the plus side, M-1 Global may not have as much bargaining power, and hopefully that serves to diminish their influence over Fedor getting a contract done with the UFC down the road.
Yeah soon as I start buying into his shit he get's sonned. I guess my initial doubts were founded something about Fedor just did not sit right with me.
But in MMA this shit can happen on any given night with the varied depth of cats involved.
Galvatron78 wrote:The worst part for me is the fact that it was a triangle choke, to me the triangle has always been one of those moves that if you get put in it all you can do is go "D'OH!!!!"....BJJ wins again LOL.
I don't think the triangle made him tap. I think it was the arm bar, because he was defending the triangle as well as he could have, but when he grabbed the arm it was either pass out with an injured arm or just tap. If it was just the triangle, I can see Fedor sitting their untill he went out. No shame in getting tapped by Werdum though. As far as credentials, he is up there for the best in BJJ heavyweights. As far as implementing it in MMA, he's probably the best in the heavyweight division right now. BTW, I'm willling to bet Overeem vs Werdum 2 will not be happening. Fedor vs Werdum 2 will happen. If not, Strikeforce doesn't grasp the concept of running an organization. As a FAN I would love to see Werdum vs Overeem and Fedor vs Big Foot on the same card and the winners fight each other, but they have invested too much into Fedor to let him fall like this and let their biggest possible fight in Fedor vs Overeem slip away from them.
Galvatron78 wrote:The worst part for me is the fact that it was a triangle choke, to me the triangle has always been one of those moves that if you get put in it all you can do is go "D'OH!!!!"....BJJ wins again LOL.
I don't think the triangle made him tap. I think it was the arm bar, because he was defending the triangle as well as he could have, but when he grabbed the arm it was either pass out with an injured arm or just tap. If it was just the triangle, I can see Fedor sitting their untill he went out. No shame in getting tapped by Werdum though. As far as credentials, he is up there for the best in BJJ heavyweights. As far as implementing it in MMA, he's probably the best in the heavyweight division right now. BTW, I'm willling to bet Overeem vs Werdum 2 will not be happening. Fedor vs Werdum 2 will happen. If not, Strikeforce doesn't grasp the concept of running an organization. As a FAN I would love to see Werdum vs Overeem and Fedor vs Big Foot on the same card and the winners fight each other, but they have invested too much into Fedor to let him fall like this and let their biggest possible fight in Fedor vs Overeem slip away from them.
i dont think its stikeforce thats preventing fedor from fighting overeem...
Galvatron78 wrote:The worst part for me is the fact that it was a triangle choke, to me the triangle has always been one of those moves that if you get put in it all you can do is go "D'OH!!!!"....BJJ wins again LOL.
I don't think the triangle made him tap. I think it was the arm bar, because he was defending the triangle as well as he could have, but when he grabbed the arm it was either pass out with an injured arm or just tap. If it was just the triangle, I can see Fedor sitting their untill he went out. No shame in getting tapped by Werdum though. As far as credentials, he is up there for the best in BJJ heavyweights. As far as implementing it in MMA, he's probably the best in the heavyweight division right now. BTW, I'm willling to bet Overeem vs Werdum 2 will not be happening. Fedor vs Werdum 2 will happen. If not, Strikeforce doesn't grasp the concept of running an organization. As a FAN I would love to see Werdum vs Overeem and Fedor vs Big Foot on the same card and the winners fight each other, but they have invested too much into Fedor to let him fall like this and let their biggest possible fight in Fedor vs Overeem slip away from them.
i dont think its stikeforce thats preventing fedor from fighting overeem...
When did I say anything about Fedor fighting Overeem? I was talking about Werdum fighting Overeem, which makes perfect sense as a fan, but none for the business they are trying to run. Werdum vs Fedor 2 will pull decent numbers and if Fedor wins decisvely, like I think he would, they can build towards Overeem vs Fedor. Overeem vs Big Foot Silva could happen untill then. I would much rather see Overeem vs Werdum 2 and Fedor vs Big Foot, but M-1, Showtime, Strikeforce and all other parties involved can't let that happen. Strikeforce can't catch a break as it is. I mean, Henderson was supposed to come in and take the belt from Shields because his contract was almost up without any championship cluase and all the money they spent on Henderson. That failed. Miller came into the cage after to challenge Shields and that turned into a brawl, which suspended three of their current champs for months. That hurt them big time, and not sure about their CBS deal right now, but it couldn't of helped. Fedor was supposed to beat Werdum to set up the biggest heavyweight fight not named Carwin vs Lesnar, but Werdum tapped him in trhe first round. Strikeforce is hurting. Also, they don't have nearly enough card space to give their fighters enough fights, especially prospects. Shaolin was sitting on the bench waiting for a fight for nearly a year. Hopefully they can get it together though.
Galvatron78 wrote:The worst part for me is the fact that it was a triangle choke, to me the triangle has always been one of those moves that if you get put in it all you can do is go "D'OH!!!!"....BJJ wins again LOL.
I don't think the triangle made him tap. I think it was the arm bar, because he was defending the triangle as well as he could have, but when he grabbed the arm it was either pass out with an injured arm or just tap. If it was just the triangle, I can see Fedor sitting their untill he went out. No shame in getting tapped by Werdum though. As far as credentials, he is up there for the best in BJJ heavyweights. As far as implementing it in MMA, he's probably the best in the heavyweight division right now. BTW, I'm willling to bet Overeem vs Werdum 2 will not be happening. Fedor vs Werdum 2 will happen. If not, Strikeforce doesn't grasp the concept of running an organization. As a FAN I would love to see Werdum vs Overeem and Fedor vs Big Foot on the same card and the winners fight each other, but they have invested too much into Fedor to let him fall like this and let their biggest possible fight in Fedor vs Overeem slip away from them.
i dont think its stikeforce thats preventing fedor from fighting overeem...
When did I say anything about Fedor fighting Overeem? I was talking about Werdum fighting Overeem, which makes perfect sense as a fan, but none for the business they are trying to run. Werdum vs Fedor 2 will pull decent numbers and if Fedor wins decisvely, like I think he would, they can build towards Overeem vs Fedor. Overeem vs Big Foot Silva could happen untill then. I would much rather see Overeem vs Werdum 2 and Fedor vs Big Foot, but M-1, Showtime, Strikeforce and all other parties involved can't let that happen. Strikeforce can't catch a break as it is. I mean, Henderson was supposed to come in and take the belt from Shields because his contract was almost up without any championship cluase and all the money they spent on Henderson. That failed. Miller came into the cage after to challenge Shields and that turned into a brawl, which suspended three of their current champs for months. That hurt them big time, and not sure about their CBS deal right now, but it couldn't of helped. Fedor was supposed to beat Werdum to set up the biggest heavyweight fight not named Carwin vs Lesnar, but Werdum tapped him in trhe first round. Strikeforce is hurting. Also, they don't have nearly enough card space to give their fighters enough fights, especially prospects. Shaolin was sitting on the bench waiting for a fight for nearly a year. Hopefully they can get it together though.
my comment was made for this comment "but they have invested too much into Fedor to let him fall like this and let their biggest possible fight in Fedor vs Overeem slip away from them"
fedor and his management pretty much picks his fights from what it looks like and from what ive read from his peoples...
UFC 116 Predictions:
Brock Lesnar>Shane Carwin via 2nd round TKO
Yoshihiro Akiyama>Chris Leben via Decision
Matt Brown>Chris Lytle via Decision
Krzysztof Soszynski>Stephan Bonnar via Decision
George Sotiropoulos>Kurt Pellegrino via Submission
Brendan Schaub>Chris Tuchscherer via 1st round TKO
Ricardo Romero>Seth Petruzelli via 1st round Submission
Goran Reljic>Kendall Grove via 1st round TKO
Gerald Harris>Dave Branch via 2nd round KO
Daniel Roberts>Forrest Petz via Split Decision
Karlos Vemola>Jon Madsen via 1st round TKO
If anyone wants to know why I'm picking someone, just ask. I'll break down the main event though. Probably one of the least predictable fights ever to be honest. Lots of questions between these two fighters, but hopefully this fight will answer some of them. Carwin hasn't been passed the first round, so we're not sure about cardio or how he does in a close fight. We also not sure about his wrestling level against elite wrestlers. What we do know is that he is an athletic guy, strong, good wrestling and decent stand up with great power. All he really throws is a 1-2 combination, but he shown against Mir that he does have a good clinch game and can generate power in the dirty boxing position and in close quarters. Although he has dominated all opponents we have seen some weakness in his fight against Gonzaga. He did get hurt and tooken down, but the plus side is that he he took the shots, performed well on the bottom of a great BJJ guy and got back to his feet to knock him out. He's not very experienced, although he has over double the fights of Lesnar. Lesnar on the other hand has over double the ring time of Carwin. Lesnar has been out of action for nearly a year, and out of training for quite some time. On one hand, his stomach is healed for the first time since maybe his first couple fights, but on the other, he hasn't fought in a long time. He may have ring rust, which is very bad for young fighters, but someone like Brock won't fall to the pressure. He lost to Mir by submission, but dominated him the second time around. Couture gave Lesnar his toughest fight and he isn't a top fighter anymore so this shows some weakness, but he did bounce back his next fight and show dominance. Lesnar has decent stand up skills, with decent power, but very good wrestling and great control. I think Lesnar is coming into this fight even more improved than last time and will take Carwin out of the first round and tko him. I don't think Carwin has the wrestling to stuff Lesnar's take downs consistantly and I don't think he is going to have enough oppertunities to touch his chin. All this comes down to is me picking the fighter I know more about. I'm not comfortable with picking a fighter who essentially has a punchers chance. Lesnar is also BIGGER, but the UFC is marketing it like they're the same size. He's taller and will weigh more on fight night. He also has a different level of ahtleticism and wrestling. Great fight though, with a lot of questions. I hope Carwin will win, but lets see.
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Actually, fuck all that. Carwin is going to win. Carwin isn't going to get controlled like Mir, because Mir was content with going for subs and sweeps and not trying to get up, like Carwin will if it hits the ground. Lesnar had trouble with taking Couture down, and when he did it was hard for him to keep him there. Not to mention it was very comeptitive in the clinch with someone who is 13 years older and probably 60 lbs heavier. Carwin looked good in the clinch against Mir, but as we know thats not a good way to judge how well someone can control. Who knows about Lesnars chin, but it will get tested at some point. It starts on the feet and I think it'll end on the feet. Carwin via 1st round KO. One of the only times I did a complete 180 in picks..
