Pharoahe Monch vs. GZA

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:30 pm

Yeah I know I'm a rude thoughtless little pig for making you decide. Both are some of the best lyricist. Both have the catalogs and the longevity.

vs.

Combo7 · Post by **Combo7** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:32 pm

GZA, quite easily.

HustleCrowe · Post by **HustleCrowe** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:36 pm

I had to go with the Genius

Funk Docta Bombay · Post by **Funk Docta Bombay** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:37 pm

Gza's unfuckwitable storytelling over Monch's flow personally.

adverse · Post by **adverse** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:39 pm

monch is probably my fav ever, so idda picked him over anyone. but the genius is right there.

hessbz12 · Post by **hessbz12** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:45 pm

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:51 pm

LOL

i thought kids here actually knew hip hop

monch is the best rapper of all time

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue May 08, 2007 1:55 pm

Monch. Genius is great, but he's not THAT great.

Juice · Post by **Juice** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:01 pm

Monch, his delivery is amazing.

CRASH DDZ · Post by **CRASH DDZ** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:06 pm

huuuuge Genius fan right here.. but voted Monch.

Truth is anything Gza does Monch does just as well or close.

Voted Monch for his diversity in delivery and his murderously quick styles.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:10 pm

GZA's fell off, but Monch's almost as good as he was in his prime still, as evidenced by that mixtape he put out with Clinton Sparks. GZA isn't nearly as good as he was from Enter the 36 Chambers --> Liquid Swords --> Wu Tang Forever.

Event · Post by **Event** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:10 pm

MRS-One

figure it out

whothefuckareyou · Post by **whothefuckareyou** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:13 pm

gza is my favorite MC, only fair to pick him.

iCONtheMicKing · Post by **iCONtheMicKing** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:24 pm

Man I thought y'all was smart.

Mr. Jamerson all day.

In fact in any poll except for one with me ;)

-iCON

Mansfield Status · Post by **Mansfield Status** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:27 pm

The Bring it on Buckwild remix says it all.. crazy poison tipped arrows are heading in your direction...

Brougham33 · Post by **Brougham33** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:32 pm

I'll take the best from Monch over anyone anyday. I mean his second verse from Prisoners of War>>> Pretty much everything....but the Gza is always consistent. Rarely do I hear anything I didn't like from him while Momch has dropped some ??? shit. I still voted Monch though

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:45 pm

true at 2nd verse from prisoners of war, except that the 2nd verse on releasing hypnotical gasses is even MORE gawdly

speaking of prisoners of war, they sampled from babe ruth (the mexican) on that joint, and babe ruth-first base is one of the most slept on funky rock albums of all time

machine · Post by **machine** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:47 pm

GZA for consistency. I think Monch has a couple verses that are fuckin ridiculous but he really fell off. We'll see how his new album does.. but gza is unfuckwithable...

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Tue May 08, 2007 2:52 pm

uh. how exactly did monche fall off? by not releasing an album because he was screwed by 239014871234 different labels?

what has gza dropped in the last five years that even comes close to something like agent orange or desire or push?

The Wrist · Post by **The Wrist** » Tue May 08, 2007 3:00 pm

there's not many people i'd pick ahead of monch

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:02 pm

Good math-up. Gotta go with Pharoahe though.

marinville · Post by **marinville** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:12 pm

pharoahe over mostly anyone, easily.

tough break for the gza.

blessingindisguise · Post by **blessingindisguise** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:24 pm

GZA. I know Monche got him on dynamic flow but GZA got too many quotables and verses to Monche. Plus MOnche has 2 solos and 3 OK albums compared to GZA's 5 albums and tons of Wu Verses. Y'all gotta re-think the output of the two for real for real.

Warcolepsy · Post by **Warcolepsy** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:30 pm

monch easy...i love gza..but monch has been on some back to the future shit for many years.

B. Ware tha Siniq · Post by **B. Ware tha Siniq** » Tue May 08, 2007 4:37 pm

Tied up huh?

I went with GZA, because I think his catalog as a whole is greater.

Words from the Genius
Verses on 36 Chambers
Liquid Swords
Verses on Forever
Beneath The Surface
Verses on The W
Legend of the Liquid Sword
Verses on Iron Flag

I didn't like Grandmasters (unlike 99% of this site), but the above material is pretty unfuckwitable from an emceeing standpoint.

Pharoahe is great, but I look at the ability to get your material OUT TO THE PUBLIC as somewhat important in an emcee. Pharoahe actually debuted before GZA, but has waaaay less to show for it in terms of actual released product.

iCONtheMicKing · Post by **iCONtheMicKing** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:13 pm

Not for nothing yo but Gza is kinda boring...and this is coming from a dense ass space rapper speaking as a big Wutang fan.

richard lamplighter · Post by **richard lamplighter** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:16 pm

i voted gza easily

Loki wrote:uh. how exactly did monche fall off? by not releasing an album because he was screwed by 239014871234 different labels?

what has gza dropped in the last five years that even comes close to something like agent orange or desire or push?

it's easy to stay at the top when you only release 3 songs in 5 years. & recent monche shit isn't even that impressive. grandmasters easily trumps what monche's done lately. also, legend of the liquid sword is forgotten because of the beats & a bunch of random hooks, but gza's performance is stellar. monche IS one of the greatest, but gza has a ton more top notch shit out. like someone else said, the ability to deliver your music to listeners comes into play.

& icesickle is hilarious in this thread, trying to downplay the fuckin gza. i mean i get it man, you think what you think and all, but your opinions basically scream Never Hang Out With This Dude Ever. on a crusade against the gza, who the fuck does that?

Med Student · Post by **Med Student** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:34 pm

Vote: GZA

Like it's already been mentioned, GZA has much more classic/near-classic material than Monch. Thats not taking anything away from Monch's technical skill as an emcee, which is near perfect, but he just doesn't do enough. This upcoming release of his album Desire has the potential to change my opinion, but we'll see

BTW, whats the release date for his new album, wasn't it supposed to be May 1st?

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:47 pm

so basically arguments for gza have come down to quantity over quality.

need i say more?

[quote=richard lamplighter]grandmasters easily trumps what monche's done lately.[/quote]

what the fuck is this cat talking about
grandmasters was garbage son

gza's sounded bored as fuck on the mic for years

next you gonna tell us that gza's guest verse's on the JMT songs were imspectabulous

liquid swords is a top 10 album of all time for me. but im sorry, as an emcee's emcee, pharoah is the best to ever do it. it's that simple. nobody's ever done what he's done how he's done it on the microphone. ever.

EichTurner · Post by **EichTurner** » Tue May 08, 2007 5:55 pm

GZA
But Monch's flow is untouchable.. i dont know just had to go with gza though. put strangles on commercial angles, microphone chords tangle from being star spangled..