Jay Electronica vs. Rappers

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue May 11, 2010 7:54 am

This really isn't about any beef, but it wasn't too long ago I thought we realized most of the "rappers" on this board didn't get Jay Elec. Instead of keeping this in the "when do you retire" thread I figured I'd start it up again here and people can explain what they like or dislike about Jay Electronica since he added a few new tracks to his repertoire the lasted we discussed.

Remo the Great wrote:
Philaflava wrote:Also I didn't bring up Jay, just responded to your claim. I don't think there is one rapper on here, despite how dope many are like OME, Cash, Godamus, Tui, Self, Hustle, Keen, Big Scen, Ardamus, Sean, and so fourth that could pull of a track like this.

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Now that we established that. When is it okay to put the mic down?
Not to start an argument or anything... But I don't really see what all the fuss is about Exhibit A/C. It's dope yes... But nothing more. Why are y'all so nutso over it?

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:03 am

Jay Elec is somebody you either really like and appreciate his style to the throwbacks or you just don't. He has je ne sais quoi about him that makes him extremely likable and usually comes off genuine. Those are two attributes I find important because you can be a douchebag like Sage Francis and make great music but who the fuck would ever know because you wouldn't bother checking for it.

Jay Elec has all the elements you'd want in an emcee. I get why some don't appreciate him like I do. It's the same with Kool Keith or maybe Ras Kass.

He knows how to write a song. He knows how to say words. He has style, the voice, cadence, humility, charisma and respect for the music and its listeners. Apparently I'm not the only one going nutso over him. You might think he's the 2nd coming of Nas with all the praise he's been getting these past years.

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the brow · Post by **the brow** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:09 am

Philaflava wrote:He knows how to say words.

Moolah · Post by **Moolah** » Tue May 11, 2010 8:20 am

He has less jury than a courtroom.

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:29 am

im a huge fan of this guy. i was thinking about this the other day, and trying to figure out what it is about his stuff that gets me. I think he is a progressive artist, sure he isnt re-writing the rules but he is cherry picking the best shit from all the years and movements and putting them together in a new unique package to progress the art. i think it adds to his appeal, because you can see in jay what you like about hip hop. On top of that he has a great rapping voice, a really solid skill set, and his content is not some rehash of everyother song that is out there.

Rob Sonic · Post by **Rob Sonic** » Tue May 11, 2010 9:57 am

He's dope as shit anybody who thinks other wise is caught up on something or other. You might not like him but to say he's blah and not dope is bugging time.

sean · Post by **sean** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:27 am

dude is dope.
not sure why people don't like him, but don't really care either.

drizzle · Post by **drizzle** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:33 am

the brow wrote:
Philaflava wrote:He's so well spoken.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:39 am

drizzle wrote:
the brow wrote:
Philaflava wrote:He's so well spoken.

Not at all what I was trying convey. But you douches already knew that.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:41 am

I like Jay Electronica, but one of the things that's wrong with hip-hop is that people base their judgments on music on a bunch of peripheral shit that shouldn't matter (ie, an artistגs image, a statement in the media that you did / didn't like, etc.). A lot of rap purists care more about image than a lot of casual listeners of strictly mainstream pop rap do, yet they're the ones bitching about everyone else caring about superficial shit.

This isn't directed at you specifically Gloss, btw.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:45 am

Sometimes it's impossible to separate the artist from the person. It's not too different with many people, be it actors or athletes.

wheels · Post by **wheels** » Tue May 11, 2010 10:57 am

I just want an album.

Reggie · Post by **Reggie** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:07 am

He is a good rapper, yes.

ackbar · Post by **ackbar** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:14 am

Philaflava wrote:Jay Elec is somebody you either really like and appreciate his style to the throwbacks or you just don't.

i think he's a good rapper.
at the same time.. many people are talking about this dude on crazy hyperbolic levels. like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade, he's going to single handedly change the rap industry & that his debut will be an instant classic. i guess people are just excited to like a new rapper. no different than when saigon started to first gain real buzz..

i know nothing of his persona/image/etc.

Quotashun · Post by **Quotashun** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:28 am

wheels wrote:I just want an album.

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:31 am

ackbar wrote:Like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade.

it kind of is.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:32 am

ackbar wrote:
Philaflava wrote:Jay Elec is somebody you either really like and appreciate his style to the throwbacks or you just don't.
i think he's a good rapper.
at the same time.. many people are talking about this dude on crazy hyperbolic levels. like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade, he's going to single handedly change the rap industry & that his debut will be an instant classic. i guess people are just excited to like a new rapper. no different than when saigon started to first gain real buzz..

i know nothing of his persona/image/etc.

You're a fag.

He's not.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:34 am

Icesickle wrote:I like Jay Electronica, but one of the things that's wrong with hip-hop is that people base their judgments on music on a bunch of peripheral shit that shouldn't matter (ie, an artistגs image, a statement in the media that you did / didn't like, etc.). A lot of rap purists care more about image than a lot of casual listeners of strictly mainstream pop rap do, yet they're the ones bitching about everyone else caring about superficial shit.

This isn't directed at you specifically Gloss, btw.

LOL @ Ithe being intimately acquainted with the tracklists and musical musings of the pubescent crowd.

Remo the Great · Post by **Remo the Great** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:34 am

Employee wrote:
ackbar wrote:
Philaflava wrote:Jay Elec is somebody you either really like and appreciate his style to the throwbacks or you just don't.
i think he's a good rapper.
at the same time.. many people are talking about this dude on crazy hyperbolic levels. like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade, he's going to single handedly change the rap industry & that his debut will be an instant classic. i guess people are just excited to like a new rapper. no different than when saigon started to first gain real buzz..

i know nothing of his persona/image/etc.
You're a fag.

He's not.

Just so I'm clear... You're saying Jay Electronica is not a good rapper?

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:38 am

Remo the Great wrote:
Employee wrote:
ackbar wrote:
Philaflava wrote:Jay Elec is somebody you either really like and appreciate his style to the throwbacks or you just don't.
i think he's a good rapper.
at the same time.. many people are talking about this dude on crazy hyperbolic levels. like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade, he's going to single handedly change the rap industry & that his debut will be an instant classic. i guess people are just excited to like a new rapper. no different than when saigon started to first gain real buzz..

i know nothing of his persona/image/etc.
You're a fag.

He's not.
Just so I'm clear... You're saying Jay Electronica is not a good rapper?

No, I'm saying Ackbar's a Top 5 faggot.

LameAim · Post by **LameAim** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:46 am

I'm definitely interested in his output. He reminds me a lot of the first few times I heard Nas, actually... not because of all of the "second coming" nonsense, but he manages to put together the lyrics, cadence, charisma, etc. into something that's approachable and still, the end product somehow feels effortless.

ackbar · Post by **ackbar** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:47 am

Employee wrote:You're a fag.

He's not.

how's my essence taste yolanda saldivar?

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:47 am

LameAim wrote:effortless.

Sums it up.

ackbar · Post by **ackbar** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:49 am

ALASKA wrote:
ackbar wrote:Like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade.
it kind of is.

top 50 or top 100?

ALASKA · Post by **ALASKA** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:52 am

ackbar wrote:
ALASKA wrote:
ackbar wrote:Like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade.
it kind of is.
top 50 or top 100?

I would say easily top 25 of the 2000-2009 decade.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:52 am

ackbar wrote:
ALASKA wrote:
ackbar wrote:Like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade.
it kind of is.
top 50 or top 100?

Somewhere behind Flying Coffin's 2008 Winter Street Wear line.

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:54 am

ALASKA wrote:
ackbar wrote:
ALASKA wrote:
ackbar wrote:Like exhibit c is one of the best songs of the decade.
it kind of is.
top 50 or top 100?
I would say easily top 25 of the 2000-2009 decade.

If there is no Young Jeezy on your list, you're a fucking failure.

ackbar · Post by **ackbar** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:55 am

streetwear.
you probably spell wack with an h

Post by **thekeentwo** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:56 am

I don't know much about him other than what has been getting play on satellite radio (the exhibit songs mostly). so keep in mind while reading, i could be way off. but i want to talk too!!! :Arrow:

He has a certain confidence about him that doesn't come across as cocky, but he is definitely sure of what he is doing and that is refreshing given that he is not trying to do safe, commercial hip hop right now. something about him keeps me listening to his songs once they start- he has a good way of leading the listener through the track.

question to the board: if he didn't come out in a time when most of us think rap is retarded- if he came out during the "golden age" would he be standing out as much amongst a jay z or a nas or a biggie in their primes?

not saying yes or no either way, but i think what alot of people are happy about is that someone new came along, that is just spitting dope rhymes over dope beats and not really jumping on any of the more recent trends in rap. just being a good mc, i suppose.

Post by **thekeentwo** » Tue May 11, 2010 11:57 am

Employee wrote:
LameAim wrote:effortless.
Sums it up.

thats pretty much what i wanted to say in my long ass post.