Rappers that dropped the ball.

Gyangsta 4 Life · Post by **Gyangsta 4 Life** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:13 pm

Each had tremendous fan support, a proven track record, a hit single out. They were poised to take over this rap shit. Placing them in your Top 3 Dead or Alive between Marley Marl and Zach was perfectly tenable.

Then bam, the inconceivable occurs. Album drops and shit is a straight dud. A seriously steaming pile and a mile. The combined shittiness of Cam's last three LP's wouldn't even come close. You are genuinely befuddled. How the fuck did this happen?

Think Can-I-Bus (although I kinda liked that shit).

blessingindisguise · Post by **blessingindisguise** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:23 pm

Canibus was tragic especially after his DJ Clue freestyles and blazing guest spots (e.g. beasts from the east, desperado, 4,3,2,1) BUT he should have had better production and not recorded so much on the road. Still he's had a pretty good career selling over a million copies and dropping heat with Rip the Jacker, mic club, and 2000 B.C.

There's alot of rappers who dropped the ball but i'd say Ras kass like philaflava said because he got locked up and missed so many opportunities. Which is sad because he's such a talented lyricist. Techneic coulda been bigger too but it just never came to fruition. Papoose dropped too many mixtapes and missed his window of opportunity too.

Gyangsta 4 Life · Post by **Gyangsta 4 Life** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 10:51 pm

The gay major-label a&r consortium definitely got to this nigga. Should have stayed on slip-n-slide, or whatever.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:02 pm

Bathgate
AZ
Mysonne
Dragon
Sy Scott
JR Writer

eyensteyn · Post by **eyensteyn** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 12:10 am

mysonne tho???? damn

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:16 pm

Gyangsta 4 Life wrote:The gay major-label a&r consortium definitely got to this nigga. Should have stayed on slip-n-slide, or whatever.

Moneywise, Chamillionaire is one of the most successful rappers in the world. Cham has a huge cult following and is, technically, a beast.

Cham has prolly made more money in the last 5 years than Ras Kass, Canibus, Pharaohe Monch, and ahh, lets say Krooked I combined made in their whole careers.

As far as dropping the ball I'd go with Mos Def. Honorable mention to Ray Cash.

chump change · Post by **chump change** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:19 pm

pimp c......

Haitian Jack · Post by **Haitian Jack** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:56 pm

Magneto wrote:Bathgate
AZ
Mysonne
Dragon
Sy Scott
JR Writer

jr writer? for realz? that mofo wuz just a straight-up cam biter wit no mic presence and punches almost as desparate as papoose. he pretti much maxed out.

Gyangsta 4 Life · Post by **Gyangsta 4 Life** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:31 pm

Smitty wrote: Moneywise, Chamillionaire is one of the most successful rappers in the world. Cham has a huge cult following and is, technically, a beast.

Cham has prolly made more money in the last 5 years than Ras Kass, Canibus, Pharaohe Monch, and ahh, lets say Krooked I combined made in their whole careers.

As far as dropping the ball I'd go with Mos Def. Honorable mention to Ray Cash.

Yeh, but Cham was the next big thing for a second. Then he put out that terrible album, its follow-up and stopped saying nigga. Somewhere along the line I lost interest. He's unnecessarily corny now.

edit: Good call on Mos Def.

Gyangsta 4 Life · Post by **Gyangsta 4 Life** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:33 pm

Haitian Jack wrote:
Magneto wrote:Bathgate
AZ
Mysonne
Dragon
Sy Scott
JR Writer
jr writer? for realz? that mofo wuz just a straight-up cam biter wit no mic presence and punches almost as desparate as papoose. he pretti much maxed out.

"Bird Call" and its video were magic, though. JR had potential to blow.

Gyangsta 4 Life · Post by **Gyangsta 4 Life** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:38 pm

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 8:30 pm

Haitian Jack wrote:
Magneto wrote:Bathgate
AZ
Mysonne
Dragon
Sy Scott
JR Writer
jr writer? for realz? that mofo wuz just a straight-up cam biter wit no mic presence and punches almost as desparate as papoose. he pretti much maxed out.

Like dude said, when he first came out, he had potential to be pretty big. Atleast were Juelz is. His buzz was rather big for a mixtape artist.

Renessis · Post by **Renessis** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:22 pm

hmm....RA the Rugged Man?

His album was ILL but..

It took 8 years to get out. He got fucked by the industry, so maybe it's more like they dropped the ball...

Where's Killa Sin's album? I would love to hear one from him if he wasn't doin a bid.. when does he get out?

CasOne · Post by **CasOne** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:57 am

Renessis wrote:hmm....RA the Rugged Man?

His album was ILL but..

It took 8 years to get out. He got fucked by the industry, so maybe it's more like they dropped the ball...

very true. Although when his album dropped, every song was about how the industry fucked him . Ra has one of the illest voices in rap ever though.

battlecatmeowstab212 · Sat Jun 13, 2009 11:28 am

CasOne wrote:
Renessis wrote:hmm....RA the Rugged Man?

His album was ILL but..

It took 8 years to get out. He got fucked by the industry, so maybe it's more like they dropped the ball...

very true. Although when his album dropped, every song was about how the industry fucked him . Ra has one of the illest voices in rap ever though.

I wouldn't say R.A. at all, namely because he's risen to prominence and hit both ends of the spectrum several times over. Major label in '93, then dropped to obscurity, then the Rawkus singles, then EC, then laying low, then rebuilt everything just off of guest verses on "Give it Up," "Uncommon Valor" etc.

He's, right now, at as good of a position as he's ever been, and after this next album we can really evaluate.

This topic's more appropriate for the likes of Mos Def, Saigon, wtc. , whose ENTIRE careers have been disappointments.

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:03 pm

Gyangsta 4 Life wrote:

You sir, are correct.

That "Echo" shit is terrible, and wholly unnecessary.

battlecatmeowstab212 · Sun Jun 14, 2009 1:49 am

Alright...I got one...

DICE RAW

Req · Post by **Req** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:01 am

Mos Def never dropped the ball, he went the Lauryn Hill route and voluntarily focused on other crap.

battlecatmeowstab212 · Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:05 am

Req wrote:Mos Def never dropped the ball, he went the Lauryn Hill route and voluntarily focused on other crap.

He squandered so much potential. Don't tell me "The New Danger" and "Tru3 Magic" aren't ball-droppers.

Drastik · Post by **Drastik** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:12 am

classyplastic · Post by **classyplastic** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:01 am

MY HUSBAND JOE BUDDEN TURNED INTO AN ED HARDY WEARING FAIRY

NOT TO MENTION EMO HO

:(

hustler · Post by **hustler** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 6:30 am

ive never heard of any of these niggaz.

Seduce · Post by **Seduce** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:02 am

Mos Def is balling hard.

Hes in major motion pictures, sells out venues, does whatever he wants as an artist.

I know you guys had different plans for him, but his bank account is thick and he wakes up every day making his own creative decisions. Im pretty sure Mos Def is very happy with his career.

Some of the people you guys are naming didnt necessarily drop the ball. They just got fucked over. Saigon never wanted shit to unfold like it did. But it did and he has to live with it.

Ras Kass has never had an ounce of potential outside making battle rap verses and long ass history book raps that 15,000 people listen to. He dropped what ball exactly? T.I. and Ras Kass are in no way comparable other than they rap.

Ras Kass has no idea how to be musical and make songs and entertain average people. He raps his ass off. Cool. That shit is dead anymore.

Comedy Quaddafi · Post by **Comedy Quaddafi** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:19 am

Seduce wrote:
Ras Kass has never had an ounce of potential outside making battle rap verses and long ass history book raps that 15,000 people listen to. He dropped what ball exactly? T.I. and Ras Kass are in no way comparable other than they rap.

Ras Kass has no idea how to be musical and make songs and entertain average people. He raps his ass off. Cool. That shit is dead anymore.

WTF dude? We judge a rapper by how well he entertains average people? No one is close to early Ras Kass as far as lyrics and rhythm. From that same era I can only think of Nas who showed similar potential on his debut. Something tells me you haven't heard much of Ras. Marinate, Miami Life and On Earth is as "musically musical" as they come...

classyplastic · Post by **classyplastic** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:25 am

Don't be rational!

It is bad!

IDEALIZM 4 LYFE.

Yohan · Post by **Yohan** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 7:27 am

Comedy Quaddafi wrote:
Seduce wrote:
Ras Kass has never had an ounce of potential outside making battle rap verses and long ass history book raps that 15,000 people listen to. He dropped what ball exactly? T.I. and Ras Kass are in no way comparable other than they rap.

Ras Kass has no idea how to be musical and make songs and entertain average people. He raps his ass off. Cool. That shit is dead anymore.
WTF dude? We judge a rapper by how well he entertains average people? No one is close to early Ras Kass as far as lyrics and rhythm. From that same era I can only think of Nas who showed similar potential on his debut. Something tells me you haven't heard much of Ras. Marinate, Miami Life and On Earth is as "musically musical" as they come...

This. He is regarded as one of the best in the late '90s by many many people so what you're saying makes absolutely no sense.

Voss · Post by **Voss** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:14 pm

battlecatmeowstab212 wrote: He squandered so much potential. Don't tell me "The New Danger" and "Tru3 Magic" aren't ball-droppers.

Maaaaan everyone hates on that album.
I really dug it.
The new one is bananas too.
Mos never dropped any kinda ball. Even True Magic was aight.

Agreed on Dice Raw, Ras Kass and Budden, even tho I still like him...he definitely fell off.

How bout Mystikal? LOL.

sean · Post by **sean** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 2:25 pm

d.o.c.

Yohan · Post by **Yohan** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:28 pm

sean wrote:d.o.c.

At least he had a good reason.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sun Jun 14, 2009 3:31 pm

Yohan wrote:
Comedy Quaddafi wrote:
Seduce wrote:
Ras Kass has never had an ounce of potential outside making battle rap verses and long ass history book raps that 15,000 people listen to. He dropped what ball exactly? T.I. and Ras Kass are in no way comparable other than they rap.

Ras Kass has no idea how to be musical and make songs and entertain average people. He raps his ass off. Cool. That shit is dead anymore.
WTF dude? We judge a rapper by how well he entertains average people? No one is close to early Ras Kass as far as lyrics and rhythm. From that same era I can only think of Nas who showed similar potential on his debut. Something tells me you haven't heard much of Ras. Marinate, Miami Life and On Earth is as "musically musical" as they come...
This. He is regarded as one of the best in the late '90s by many many people so what you're saying makes absolutely no sense.

Not to mention he has the ability to make some of the best club/commercial songs I've heard, that never got released as a single. Ahha is was dying to be a stripper anthem, and The Whoop with Busta Rhymes would've made a pretty big single if he released.

Ras Kass is nothing like the Canibus of the world. He makes great songs, and songs that could be accessible if released properly.

Jay-Z, Outkast, Nas are all big fans of dude, but it's over for him, but in his prime, he was as good as anyone at making rap music.