groups that duped us

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:16 pm

Thun wrote:In all honesty, though:

Big L
Jay-Z
Xzibit
Talib Kweli
Mos Def
Freestyle Fellowship
Souls Of Mischief
UGK
Masta Ace
Pharcyde

this isn't a "who is overrated" post...you really thing all these guys are wack?
big l was dope.
jay has slipped but he was one of the best for a while.
xzibit's first album is highly slept on
fellowship was dppe when they dropped.
master ace is possibly the most consistent rapper still doing it. IMO, his first three albums are all great.
GK is a little overrated but they're not bad.
souls and pharcyde just haven't aged well. but their initial releases were ill.

i agree with mos def (talented but i pretty much can't listen to any of his albums) and kweli (he's just not good.

and aesop is 100% a better rapper then cl smooth. but pete rock is 100% a better producer then me, so cl wins.

Trademark · Post by **Trademark** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:18 pm

TO GET THE THREAD BACK ON SUBJECT. Honestly I remember hearing Anticon for the first time and thinking I was hearing some crazy dope futuristic shit. I honestly remember thinking it was some next level shit that from beats to rhymes were completely dope. Now listening to the advancement blah blah blah I really wonder what in teh fuck I even heard in the first place. Dose One sounds like a walrus in Dante's 6th level of hell being slowly cheese grated to death.

Blockhead · Post by **Blockhead** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:22 pm

vaporized wrote:
Blockhead wrote: that's very ill that he's your favorite mc ever. where do rakim , kool g rap and big daddy kane fall on that list? to me, cl smooth ranks somewhere between tajai and little shawn.
very high, hovering around top 5/10-ish. probably Kool G rap, Rakim, BDK in that order. - unless that was a rhetorical question meant to indicate I have wack taste in emcees...all I can say is shame you don't like CL considering he's all over some of the greatest beats created, which must suck, but fair enough if it's your opinion...

nah, i didn't mean it in a dickish way. i was just trying to see some sort of gauge of how good you really think cl smooth is.
obviously, i agree, he was given amazing beats. but i'd still rather listen to group home's debut album over any pete rock and cl smooth album cause at least grouphome's rhmes are so bad they're funny. where as cl is so mediocre it's boring.

ROSARIO · Post by **ROSARIO** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:36 pm

anything signed to hiero

senorhaha · Post by **senorhaha** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:38 pm

fellowship rules

tho i knew they would be on this list hahah

ardamus · Post by **ardamus** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:43 pm

CL wasn't bad on American Me; he's a fluid as far as flow. Lyrics weren't always mind-blowing everytime but he did write a classic verse or two (T.R.O.Y.) and fits well with his voice. If anything, you did feel something was missing from the absence of working with Pete Rock. Not just the production but its a certain feel that CL had when you hear him working with Pete Rock. Its the same thing with GURU from Gang Starr. I remember hearing Street Scriptures and just feeling duped off the break; kind of reminded me of when I listened to Baldhead Slick album. I was hoping for one of the incarnations of Jazzmatazz and didn't get it.

djjeffresh · Post by **djjeffresh** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:41 pm

living legends is great choice for thread.

de la soul is horrible choice for thread.

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:25 pm

Lets keep this out west.

Jurassic 5
Del (From No Need For Alarm on...)

Fuzzy Logic · Post by **Fuzzy Logic** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:33 pm

rasco needs more hate

haha

Yohan · Post by **Yohan** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:40 pm

Just wanted to say:

Guru > C.L. Smooth, and it's not even close. Guru is a top 25/30 MC to me.

provoked15 · Post by **provoked15** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:43 pm

So getting back on topic. . .

Nonphixion, Demigodz, Weathermen, Def Squad, Original AOTP(stoupe producing)

5 groups I wish still exsisted today.

Cash Rulz · Post by **Cash Rulz** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:05 pm

The ILLatino wrote:
Cash Rulz wrote:
The ILLatino wrote:I liked CL's flow, voice, and cadence. His rhymes range from servicable to damn good. No one has ever sounded better on a PR beat.
Uhhhh, I have an alterior motive for disagreeing with that, lol.
Word. You killed that beat off of Petestramentals. "Ready For War" ? I'm gonna dig that up today.

You need to PM me your email.

catfish hunter · Post by **catfish hunter** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 7:55 pm

I hate to even admit this but when Creepin On a Come Up came out i was thuggin pretty hard to that. Bone Thugs for the win.

Onassis · Post by **Onassis** » Wed Oct 22, 2008 11:25 pm

Thats fuckin bullshit, Big L is the man.

Radio Raheem · Post by **Radio Raheem** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:12 am

Trademark wrote:TO GET THE THREAD BACK ON SUBJECT. Honestly I remember hearing Anticon for the first time and thinking I was hearing some crazy dope futuristic shit. I honestly remember thinking it was some next level shit that from beats to rhymes were completely dope. Now listening to the advancement blah blah blah I really wonder what in teh fuck I even heard in the first place. Dose One sounds like a walrus in Dante's 6th level of hell being slowly cheese grated to death.

This is true for me and probably a lot more people on this site than are willing to admit it.

Other than that I never listen to wack shit.

Reason · Post by **Reason** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:31 am

dose one is fucking crazy in a good way. i don't give a fuck how wack anticon is, that man is a gifted rapper

the dead poet · Post by **the dead poet** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 12:34 am

there was a span of like 6 months to a year where i bought almost every No Limit Records album in around 97-98 :(

dont get it twisted tho, there was some good shit that came with that.

Young bleed - my balls and my word
c murder - life or death
mac - shell shocked
soulja slim - give it to em raw
kane and able - my brothers keeper

Kalistoga · Post by **Kalistoga** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:29 am

the dead poet wrote:there was a span of like 6 months to a year where i bought almost every No Limit Records album in around 97-98 :(

same here...

My pick is Guru. I think I was blinded by the Primo beats.

ackbar · Post by **ackbar** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:13 am

Beastie Boys
Big L
dead prez
De La Soul
Dogg Pound
Gangstarr
Jay-Z
Mobb Deep
Pete Rock & CL Smooth
Pharcyde
Public Enemy
Run DMC
UGK

btw. i agree that masta killah is awful & based upon catalog i like cl smooth more than masta ace

PopsUK · Post by **PopsUK** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 9:18 am

When I heard The Manifesto by Kweli, I thought he was dope as hell.... but then I realized, along with the rest of the world, that he isn't.

CL Smooth is dope to me... even some of the American Me album was good, and yeah, I bought it.

Still, I actually like most of the stuff that's been listed... Del, De La, Beasties, Dilated (yeah, even Evidence), Masta Ace, FUCKING Gangstarr?! Jeeez.

Markshot · Post by **Markshot** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:33 pm

Thun wrote:Cl Smooth > Aesoprock

Tweak Da Leak · Post by **Tweak Da Leak** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 1:40 pm

I still like that Deep Puddle Dynamics album I picked up randomly in Venice beach along with Murs Rules the World.

I used to like Copywrite

Markshot · Post by **Markshot** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:00 pm

hmm, only good song from DPD i remember and listen is "i am hip hop"
i dont know if Fat Joe fit in this thread..

Lyrical Gymnastics · Post by **Lyrical Gymnastics** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:42 pm

J-Live is the correct answer

The ILLatino · Post by **The ILLatino** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:50 pm

Copywrite owns this.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:09 pm

Tweak Da Leak wrote:I still like that Deep Puddle Dynamics album I picked up randomly in Venice beach along with Murs Rules the World.

MRTW is a great album. Possibly his best ever.

chiefbombpro · Post by **chiefbombpro** » Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:11 pm

Fu-Schnickens

Chip Fu is dope but, the other two spit some unbearable shit.

Fat Joe fits if you had Represent and Jealous Ones Envy