Primo vs. RZA (Better Beatmaker/Producer)

[bringinoutbangerz]

easily premier.
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[admiral]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

[Icesickle]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

[whothefuckareyou]

voted primo, even thought it aint right to choose becuase they are both so great.

[Combo7]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

Yeah except "the Ummah" had nothing to do with those first three albums.

Anyway, Primo gets this easily.

[RacquetballGangsta]

Gotta go with Primo for the more instantly recognizable sound.

I guess you could pick the opposite argument and say that RZA is more versatile...

Impossibe choice.

i think thats absolutely backwards..rza's style is instantly recognizable and more distinct..while primo is more versatile, although he too has a signature sound...for example, primo has done "rza-esque" beats (remember that ish with afu ra and masta killa? i coulda SWORE that was a rza beat, above the clouds too), but when has rza ever done a primo beat?

i went with rza anyway...though ive always said primo is the GOAT..today its rza

[admiral]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

Ummah didn't start producing until Beats, Rhymes...

[the brow]

[the brow]

Primo.

[Icesickle]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

Ummah didn't start producing until Beats, Rhymes...

I did not know that. I thought they were always called that and just added Dilla.

Ali Shaheed Muhammed / Q-Tip then.

[machine]

[perabigail]

had to go with preem.

[reevolution]

Gotta go with Primo for the more instantly recognizable sound.

I guess you could pick the opposite argument and say that RZA is more versatile...

Impossibe choice.

i think thats absolutely backwards..rza's style is instantly recognizable and more distinct..while primo is more versatile, although he too has a signature sound...

No, that's absolutely ass backwards.

[marinville]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

Ummah didn't start producing until Beats, Rhymes...

name one beat the ummah have laced in the past year.

[reevolution]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

Ummah didn't start producing until Beats, Rhymes...

name one beat the ummah have laced in the past year.

at this whole exchange.

[RacquetballGangsta]

Gotta go with Primo for the more instantly recognizable sound.

I guess you could pick the opposite argument and say that RZA is more versatile...

Impossibe choice.

i think thats absolutely backwards..rza's style is instantly recognizable and more distinct..while primo is more versatile, although he too has a signature sound...

No, that's absolutely ass backwards.

youre a fuckin retard.

has a distinct sound. thats why theyre so beloved..who is responsible for that sound?

primo HAS a recognizable signature sound, as i noted, but, you fucktard, he can do other things..his sound has changed over the years, he's constantly updated his format (which isnt to say he's always improved it). "We got gunz" sounds nothing like "tonz o gunz" sounds nothing like "betrayal" sounds nothing like "playin ya self" etc etc. rza is known for using quirky, soulful stax samples and shit...he has the kung fu thing...its a whole vibe that screams RZA...a primo beat can at least have u thinkin "is that primo? could be rza" or "could be pete rock or large pro"

u would never say that about a rza beat. or would YOU?

[blastmaster]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

Jesus Christ.

[blastmaster]

And you know when you hear those drums and a chopped up vocal sample you know its Primo. RZA's style was/is more conventional. Not to say his not incredible and distinct, but there is no mistaking a Primo beat. Even if he is producing for X-Tina.

[B. Ware tha Siniq]

RZA

on the sole basis that he picks better emcees to work with than Primo does.

If you're voting based on actual production it's a very very tough call, both have nearly flawless track records in terms of production, with a few minor exceptions... if it boiled down Primo is probably a tad more consistent, but RZA's early nineties sound was better than Primo's IMO... Late nineties Primo was the better producer of the two though, so this is really tough.

[B. Ware tha Siniq]

1.RZA
2.The Ummah
3.Premier

Tribe's first 3 albums are unfuckwitable.

Ummah didn't start producing until Beats, Rhymes...

I did not know that. I thought they were always called that and just added Dilla.

Ali Shaheed Muhammed / Q-Tip then.

your ability to self-son is unfuckwitable.

And no Ali Shaheed Muhammed and Q-Tip are NOT better producers than Premier... at all... in any way. That's a completely unsupportable argument. Q-Tip is the better "producer" of the two, and his catalog isn't strong enough to put him in the top ten.

[Philaflava]

Techincally Ice is right, except Ali never really produced shit. However, he is wrong in his rankings.

[Icesickle]

Techincally Ice is right, except Ali never really produced shit.

Thanks, but I always thought Shaheed had a hand in production. Was he just their DJ and nothing else?

And B. Ware. How can they not have a lot of material when they have 3 classic, back-to-back, albums? Plus, Q-Tip's done some outside production (One Love for example) and some of the production on his solo was tight. Just cause someone's produced a bit less than someone else doesn't mean you can't rank them higher just off the strength of the greatness of their more limited amount of work. People think Francis Ford Coppola's the GOAT off the strength of 4 films.

[Warcolepsy]

primo EASY. And im a head

[Gurped Out]

Primo

[B. Ware tha Siniq]

And B. Ware. How can they not have a lot of material when they have 3 classic, back-to-back, albums? Plus, Q-Tip's done some outside production (One Love for example) and some of the production on his solo was tight. Just cause someone's produced a bit less than someone else doesn't mean you can't rank them higher just off the strength of the greatness of their more limited amount of work. People think Francis Ford Coppola's the GOAT off the strength of 4 films.

Two back to back classic albums first of all. People's Instinctive blah blah blah was a good album, but far from classic IMO. And yeah I know Q-Tip has done a fair share of dope production. I guess it has to do with what you define as dope hip hop production. Tribe had great beats, lively, fun, upbeat... a great sound. But the technical expertise of the group was minimal in my opinion. Basically they did a lot of obvious looping, which is why their production went downhill as years went on and sampling laws became more stringent. That's why they brought in Dilla, cuz although some feel he ruined their sound, he had more techinical production expertise than either Tip or Ali... and he can actually play keyboards and shit like that. Their albums, like many of the Native Tongue albums, are dope because of the time period and things people could get away with at the time, not because they had some incredible musical sensibility. If they did, they'd have survived that era and produced numerous classics afterwards, not just one joint here and another one there. Look at all that Dilla has accomplished post-Beats, Rhymes, & Life and look at Tip and Ali.

Compare their work with the revolutionary techniques of guys like RZA and Primo and you're just playin' yourself. These guys redefined hip hop production, they invented techniques, and they figured out ways to thrive in multiple eras.

I can agree with you that Q-Tip is generally underrated when it comes to hip hop production, but there's no way he fux wit Pete Rock, Marley Marl, Rick Rubin, Primo, RZA, Dr. Dre, Prince Paul, etc, etc. To put him as number 2 on your list is just ignorant foolishness. I know you like to say things just to get a rise out of the "boom bap dinosaurs" from time to time, but just say that then... don't try to defend it. You just dig yourself a deeper hole.

[mud]

Enough of this easily bullshit.

Neither is easily better than the other.

[binary]

Cameo Afro is better than anything Primo has done in the last year, just saying.

[CHER1]

RZA

on the sole basis that he picks better emcees to work with than Primo does.

RZA's early nineties sound was better than Primo's IMO... Late nineties Primo was the better producer of the two though, so this is really tough.

thats the bit that got me!
early 90's i prefered rza 96 onwards primo

i voted primo, but i really am 50/50

[marinville]

Techincally Ice is right, except Ali never really produced shit. However, he is wrong in his rankings.

maybe I'm missing something. what exactly is he right about?

[The Wrist]

youre a fuckin retard.

has a distinct sound. thats why theyre so beloved..who is responsible for that sound?

primo HAS a recognizable signature sound, as i noted, but, you fucktard, he can do other things..his sound has changed over the years, he's constantly updated his format (which isnt to say he's always improved it). "We got gunz" sounds nothing like "tonz o gunz" sounds nothing like "betrayal" sounds nothing like "playin ya self" etc etc. rza is known for using quirky, soulful stax samples and shit...he has the kung fu thing...its a whole vibe that screams RZA...a primo beat can at least have u thinkin "is that primo? could be rza" or "could be pete rock or large pro"

u would never say that about a rza beat. or would YOU?

hmmmm.....

its hard to agree with you, just based on the fact, post-moment of truth primo beats are pretty much recognizable as a primo beat at the first kick/snare....

while conversely, if you listen to say.....capadonna's first album....or birth of a prince....without looking at production credits, you could constantly second guess which beats are rza's and which are done by others......

not sayin the wu DONT have a signature sound.....but they have a whole team of producers who can somewhat re-create rza's sound...or expand upon it.....while i can't see ANYONE replicating primo's methods.....

i'm just blabbin