Souljah Boy ethers Ice-T

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Cash Rulz wrote:No ID has a point. 100%. Ice wasn't a lyricist. He was a good rapper and had great subject matter. But lyrical? Not by any stretch. Nothing clever, no unique wordplay.

Soulja Boy didn't destroy hiphop. He's just wack as fuck.
basically.

but again, Power, in all seriousness is a classic that people need to revist.

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ice was a good lyricist from the perspective of storytelling and subject matter. being a good lyricist doesn't just mean u can flip crazy multi's and change flows every 4 bars.

not feeling the mc hammer/soulja boy comparison. i finally seen that superman song for the first time, and this kid doesn't even rap on it. maybe 20 seconds of actual rapping. this shits right up there with tag team's whoop there it is. homie won't be talked about in a year. this is his 15 minutes.

pretty surprised that there seems to be a 50/50 split on who's right/wrong in this argument. although i think some of you are just supporting soulja boy cause mindbender is on the other side. do you actually listen to this kids music?

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Cash Rulz wrote:No ID has a point. 100%. Ice wasn't a lyricist. He was a good rapper and had great subject matter. But lyrical? Not by any stretch. Nothing clever, no unique wordplay.

Soulja Boy didn't destroy hiphop. He's just wack as fuck.
Ice was a great lyricist at one point and had props on the east coast for being the pimp that he was and for his music.

and soulja boy is wack as fuck and while im no fan of hammer you cant compare those two. when hammer started he had respect, at least in the west. he was on "we're all in the same gang" with the whole fucking west coast. Ice-T was on there and knew him thats why he stood up for him.

i agree that Ice-T doesnt come out looking too good. because his music hasnt been the best for more than a decade.
also he started out with dance records like Tebitan Jam and other stuff on the Techno Hop Label

but still im glad someone makes a start and calls out wack shit.
this should happen more often.

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Hammer was a wack ass faggot from jump and anyone who thinks otherwise is a Castro Street Frisco Dyke.

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Paragraph President wrote:Hammer was a wack ass faggot from jump and anyone who thinks otherwise is a Castro Street Frisco Dyke.
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Mindbender Futurama wrote:Alaska, you're right.
B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:Most people, particuarly those not raised in a gated community, don't respond too well to be told "eat a dick." Kind of the height of disrespect. Ice-T knows this, Soulja Boy knows it.

Maybe that's some cool funny shit to say in :ohcanada:

There's a huge difference between being told your music sucks, and being told you ruined hip hop and you should eat a dick.
this is hip hop. emasculating a man is expected.

i said some things Ice-T said were too harsh. But man, Soulja Boy be trippin too much, that tape shoulda been only 2 minutes long, not 7, WITH edits (shit was probably 15 minutes of 18 year old child thinking, which 40 seconds worth was actually calm, rational and realistic.)

cats on here have said worse things to me about my music. I don't really care.

motherfuckers EGOS and IMAGES are too delicate. if they would just let it go, they'd look like the bigger, better man. but noooo, cats GOTTA beef

laaame.
A Grown man told a little kid to eat a dick for being successful.

If you think that Soulja Boy is wrong here, then you're a faggot.

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Paragraph President wrote:Hammer was a wack ass faggot from jump and anyone who thinks otherwise is a Castro Street Frisco Dyke.
i personally dont like Hammer at all. but what i said is a fact. and he was getting respect on the westcoast. chuck d had some interesting things to say regarding him.

and soulja boy should eat a bowel of dicks.

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Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:
Paragraph President wrote:Hammer was a wack ass faggot from jump and anyone who thinks otherwise is a Castro Street Frisco Dyke.
i personally dont like Hammer at all. but what i said is a fact. and he was getting respect on the westcoast. chuck d had some interesting things to say regarding him.

and soulja boy should eat a bowel of dicks.
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Hacksaw Jim Thuggin' wrote:
Lavar Nelson wrote:
B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:Ice-T's faggit son tellin' soulja boy to eat a dick at the end of that video is hilarious.
ol' high yellow, richie-rich, get chased and harassed through the hallways if he ever attended public highschool, bi-weekly golf lessons from Tiger Woods, scared to say his dad's own lyrics around black people lookin' ass nigga.
:lol: :lol:
:rofl: x 1000

PackFM wrote:soulja boy sound like thugnificant on "f grand dad"

"you just mad cuz yo ass is ooooold"
yea I agree this shit does sound like that Boondocks episode, funny how life imitates art
Philaflava wrote:ice needs to stay fucking his wife and keep acting. souljah needs to go back to school and get a edjamakation.

i don't care to hear either of these fools attempt to rap.
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Huldrich Bullsh!t wrote:
soulja boy should eat a bowel of dicks.
:ohsh: :ohsh:



anyways, soulja boy ftw

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Paragraph President wrote:Hammer was a wack ass faggot from jump and anyone who thinks otherwise is a Castro Street Frisco Dyke.
"run up on hammer. hammer will kick yo ass."

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big ups to fonxta for pointing this out...

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ice needs to shut the fuck up

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chump change wrote:big ups to fonxta for pointing this out...

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ice needs to shut the fuck up
so you tryna say Ice started that hipster shit?

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panthergod wrote: A Grown man told a little kid to eat a dick for being successful.

If you think that Soulja Boy is wrong here, then you're a faggot.
If he's old enough to talk about "supermanning hoes," he's old enough to get told to eat a dick. Obviously Ice-T is wrong, he shouldn't have attacked the kid. But when it comes to hip hop legend vs. illiterate house nigger pissing on Medgar Evers' grave to make millions, I'm going to side with the hip hop legend. And if you think Ice-T isn't still nice with his, check out the shit he's doing with Trigga the Gambler and Smooth the Hustler or watch him tell the truth about women with Body Count:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lByTXCfFMtI

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D. James wrote:
panthergod wrote: A Grown man told a little kid to eat a dick for being successful.

If you think that Soulja Boy is wrong here, then you're a faggot.
If he's old enough to talk about "supermanning hoes," he's old enough to get told to eat a dick. Obviously Ice-T is wrong, he shouldn't have attacked the kid. But when it comes to hip hop legend vs. illiterate house nigger pissing on Medgar Evers' grave to make millions, I'm going to side with the hip hop legend. And if you think Ice-T isn't still nice with his, check out the shit he's doing with Trigga the Gambler and Smooth the Hustler or watch him tell the truth about women with Body Count:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lByTXCfFMtI
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im mad when soulja boy said "u was born before all this shit was invented" that ice t didnt address it with a "YOU TOO, DUMMY!"
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i wanna know where all these muthafuckers were during the late 90's/early 2000's when tons their peers were making wack shit, making a ton of money off it and inspiring a generation of kids to know nothing but shitty music. its pretty hypocritical to not have called out puff for the wack shit he made, cube for his shitty post preditor career, cash money, fucking mase, basically anyone who called someone else a hater for calling their shit wack and getting away with it because dudes like ice t said i cant hate they are getting there money. so now he wants to go after a kid like solja boy who came up on all that garbage as bullshit. its some wack shit, ice t should eat a dick and so should all the guys who go after young kids now.

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ALASKA wrote:i wanna know where all these muthafuckers were during the late 90's/early 2000's when tons their peers were making wack shit, making a ton of money off it and inspiring a generation of kids to know nothing but shitty music. its pretty hypocritical to not have called out puff for the wack shit he made, cube for his shitty post preditor career, cash money, fucking mase, basically anyone who called someone else a hater for calling their shit wack and getting away with it because dudes like ice t said i cant hate they are getting there money. so now he wants to go after a kid like solja boy who came up on all that garbage as bullshit. its some wack shit, ice t should eat a dick and so should all the guys who go after young kids now.
people were constantly shitting on the puffy "shiny suit" era
cash money was so hated that lil wayne was the standard for being horrid
the same with no limit and master p
when vanilla ice and hammer came out they got alot of shit too
far as i know bullshit was never acceptable, but sorry, souljah boy is beyond bullshit, like i dont even know if u can call what he does rapping
and u cant say it's because he is 17
ll cool j was 16 when he dropped
leaders of the new school got put on when they were 17
shit even kriss kross was better than him and they were only like 12

and then when sb says things like "if i was 50 i wouldnt be rapping, you got your money, leave" that alone shows that he doesnt have real integrity for what he's doing
he's basically rapping because he cant play ball
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PackFM wrote:
ALASKA wrote:i wanna know where all these muthafuckers were during the late 90's/early 2000's when tons their peers were making wack shit, making a ton of money off it and inspiring a generation of kids to know nothing but shitty music. its pretty hypocritical to not have called out puff for the wack shit he made, cube for his shitty post preditor career, cash money, fucking mase, basically anyone who called someone else a hater for calling their shit wack and getting away with it because dudes like ice t said i cant hate they are getting there money. so now he wants to go after a kid like solja boy who came up on all that garbage as bullshit. its some wack shit, ice t should eat a dick and so should all the guys who go after young kids now.
people were constantly shitting on the puffy "shiny suit" era
cash money was so hated that lil wayne was the standard for being horrid
the same with no limit and master p
when vanilla ice and hammer came out they got alot of shit too
far as i know bullshit was never acceptable, but sorry, souljah boy is beyond bullshit, like i dont even know if u can call what he does rapping
and u cant say it's because he is 17
ll cool j was 16 when he dropped
leaders of the new school got put on when they were 17
shit even kriss kross was better than him and they were only like 12

and then when sb says things like "if i was 50 i wouldnt be rapping, you got your money, leave" that alone shows that he doesnt have real integrity for what he's doing
he's basically rapping because he cant play ball
people in our world hated on the shiny suit era and the cash money era but none of these dudes ever came out.

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and what happened was they're numbers grew and our numbers shrank
so now the amount of bullshit is so out of control, the only people with relevant voices that are left are the same people who were hated on before
and the reason that they speak up now is because it's getting to the point where there is hardly a shred of integrity left
and it should be the cats who we were hating on speaking up now, because they were responsible for this mess in the first place
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PackFM wrote:and what happened was they're numbers grew and our numbers shrank
so now the amount of bullshit is so out of control, the only people with relevant voices that are left are the same people who were hated on before
and the reason that they speak up now is because it's getting to the point where there is hardly a shred of integrity left
and it should be the cats who we were hating on speaking up now, because they were responsible for this mess in the first place
of course the bullshit is out of control. but what im saying is dudes like that are more responsible than soldja boy will ever be. they didnt do their job and now that its out of control they want to blame the kids who they failed by not doing their job.

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ALASKA wrote:of course the bullshit is out of control. but what im saying is dudes like that are more responsible than soldja boy will ever be. they didnt do their job and now that its out of control they want to blame the kids who they failed by not doing their job.
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PackFM wrote:and what happened was they're numbers grew and our numbers shrank
so now the amount of bullshit is so out of control, the only people with relevant voices that are left are the same people who were hated on before
and the reason that they speak up now is because it's getting to the point where there is hardly a shred of integrity left
and it should be the cats who we were hating on speaking up now, because they were responsible for this mess in the first place
you can't expect people to like you just because YYYYYYOOOOOOOUUUUU have decided they should...

lol @ "our numbers shrank" homie do more promo before you blame the rest of the nation for not knowing who you and the rest of the real heads of the ever shrinking "real" hip hop scene are....

because all that is happening is a bunch of kids are getting into hip hop...maybe for the wrong reason but they will mature just like we did... vanilla ice had plenty of fans that now listen to J5, roots, etc...

can you relate to them and bring your message across in a way are the only questions... and only YYYYYOOOOOOUUUU can answer them....

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i wouldnt say ice t is responsible for the shit
cuz while his music never appealed to me, he at least carried some sort of message, he was like a one man NWA
so thats why he gets a pass from me, he comes from an entirely different era where there was a balance, and now he see's youngins takin the wrong route and he does what he feels is right
call them out
cuz thats what people from that era did, they would straight call you out if you was trash
but now thats out the window because of terms like "show some love" and "hater"
both of them pretty much make it acceptable to not have any talent and rap anyway
"he's just hating cuz i'm makin moves"
"show him some love, at least he's trying"
so now u got a buncha people who think they have a RIGHT to rap just because they want to make money
so getting back on track without beating a dead horse
you have people like lets say gza or ice t who have truly paid dues and EARNED respect, calling people out by name like they're supposed to, and the "hater" defense is in full effect

now the main problem with these cats is that they arent relevant like soulja boy is right now, so their agenda can easily be twisted as envy and "hate"
i think younger artists like lupe fiasco should be championing this cause instead of the right to wear purple
but when u get kanye going public and literally saying soulja boy has naslike qualities, it seems like hope is lost

end of the day, i aint mad at ice t, he'd kick soulja boys grandfather's ass
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chump change wrote:
PackFM wrote:and what happened was they're numbers grew and our numbers shrank
so now the amount of bullshit is so out of control, the only people with relevant voices that are left are the same people who were hated on before
and the reason that they speak up now is because it's getting to the point where there is hardly a shred of integrity left
and it should be the cats who we were hating on speaking up now, because they were responsible for this mess in the first place
you can't expect people to like you just because YYYYYYOOOOOOOUUUUU have decided they should...

lol @ "our numbers shrank" homie do more promo before you blame the rest of the nation for not knowing who you and the rest of the real heads of the ever shrinking "real" hip hop scene are....

because all that is happening is a bunch of kids are getting into hip hop...maybe for the wrong reason but they will mature just like we did... vanilla ice had plenty of fans that now listen to J5, roots, etc...

can you relate to them and bring your message across in a way are the only questions... and only YYYYYOOOOOOUUUU can answer them....
get off my dick, i aint even talkin bout me
i'd say the same shit if i didnt rap
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Conscious wrote:
ALASKA wrote:of course the bullshit is out of control. but what im saying is dudes like that are more responsible than soldja boy will ever be. they didnt do their job and now that its out of control they want to blame the kids who they failed by not doing their job.
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PackFM wrote:
chump change wrote:
PackFM wrote:and what happened was they're numbers grew and our numbers shrank
so now the amount of bullshit is so out of control, the only people with relevant voices that are left are the same people who were hated on before
and the reason that they speak up now is because it's getting to the point where there is hardly a shred of integrity left
and it should be the cats who we were hating on speaking up now, because they were responsible for this mess in the first place
you can't expect people to like you just because YYYYYYOOOOOOOUUUUU have decided they should...

lol @ "our numbers shrank" homie do more promo before you blame the rest of the nation for not knowing who you and the rest of the real heads of the ever shrinking "real" hip hop scene are....

because all that is happening is a bunch of kids are getting into hip hop...maybe for the wrong reason but they will mature just like we did... vanilla ice had plenty of fans that now listen to J5, roots, etc...

can you relate to them and bring your message across in a way are the only questions... and only YYYYYOOOOOOUUUU can answer them....
get off my dick, i aint even talkin bout me
i'd say the same shit if i didnt rap
i have no idea who you are... :arrow:

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chump change wrote: i have no idea who you are... :arrow:
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meanwhile the smash hit "my city" has made your group Nickel and Dimes a household name nationwide


stick to the topic homie, this aint about me
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