Hip-Hop's phoniest gangstas

locke cole · Post by **locke cole** » Sat May 06, 2006 8:21 pm

I'm gonna go with the write in vote and say Spice 1. I don't have any proof to refute his claims, but I remember that it was said he was a studio gangster.

As for snoop, he may be pussy, but he had a man killed. Thats gotta be a point or two in his favour

it's DA KINE · Post by **it's DA KINE** » Sat May 06, 2006 8:28 pm

Even tho copywrite isn't a true gangster and probably doesn't claim to be one he should still be up there for tryna act hard but ending up getting punked and ridiculed by the entire world, not once but TWICE. Two of underground hip hop's greatest moments.

Another one is the retirement of Seagraves.

Smithee · Post by **Smithee** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:07 pm

i'd say either Yukmouth, Prodigy, or Cam....but keep in mind i like all three...tho Prodigy's raps put me to sleep these days.....

bolivar · Post by **bolivar** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:12 pm

we should have

's phoniest gangstas.

and where's Nas/Jadakiss/Chingy/Lil' Flip/Kool G Rap(despite being #1) on this list?

also, i'd like to see someone compile the times P's street cred was tested.

Stik Figa · Post by **Stik Figa** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:41 pm

Ja Rule is the winner, by a landslide. people need to learn that folks respect you more when youre honest.

oracle21 · Post by **oracle21** » Sat May 06, 2006 9:53 pm

Stik Figa wrote:Ja Rule is the winner, by a landslide. people need to learn that folks respect you more when youre honest.

not in the music biz

Smithee · Post by **Smithee** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:07 pm

I done heard ya tape, Mac, that shit is wack
why the fuck you sellin that?
u need to go back to sellin crack
take it from a nigga that been to hell and back
oh yea, i forgot.....u ain't sold a god damn crumb
you's a studio gangsta boy.....where the fuck you from????

Ty · Post by Ty » Sat May 06, 2006 10:20 pm

Voted Game because it's wildly apparent all of his gangster cred came from his brother. Ja Rule is a close second but when you're cosigned by the kind of people he runs with, it at least makes for an interesting story.

ackbar · Post by **ackbar** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:48 pm

nas is a gangster rapper??

i'm also not buying that ja rule shit. evidence points to the inc being connected in these streets and gunit being the wankstas...not vice versa.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Sat May 06, 2006 10:55 pm

ackbar wrote:nas is a gangster rapper??

i'm also not buying that ja rule shit. evidence points to the inc being connected in these streets and gunit being the wankstas...not vice versa.

points to supreme and how irv sucked him off. ja rule ain't gangsta, his label is funded by gangstas.

ackbar · Post by **ackbar** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:03 pm

yea...but if you break bread, associate and conspire with gangsters, you're one step closer. plus the whole stabbing incident too (although not ja).
50 cent on the other hand is all about the police protection.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sat May 06, 2006 11:09 pm

ackbar wrote:nas is a gangster rapper??

i'm also not buying that ja rule shit. evidence points to the inc being connected in these streets and gunit being the wankstas...not vice versa.

There's no evidence to 50 or Yayo or Buck being wankstas. Like I said, everyone who's ever beefed with him, who knows him, say he got bussy for real in the street.

Yayo's always been thorough as fuck in the streets too. Ask Saigon.

Ja Rule is a bitch, but Murda Inc is funded by some of the realest gangstas, so of course he looks like he's thorough. He's not known in any hood by anybody for doing nothing. 50 has jail records, has people co-signing he used to knock niiggas out, sold crack etc...He just roles with security now. He'd be stupid as fuck not to. John Gotti had security too. You being gangsta and having security has no correlation. It just means you're smart enough to know that bullets don't check your street cred before it enters your body. It'll just blow your head off your shoulders if you're not protected.

I know it's the in thing to diss 50 and all that, but dude's track record is well known. Nobody in Queens would front on his street cred. Not rap street cred either.

Jadakiss is an interesting case. Cause as far as rap he has a lot of street cred. But he's done nothing of what he raps.

craig · Post by **craig** » Sun May 07, 2006 10:54 am

hey mag what exactly did 50 do to earn the snitch title?

Mindbender Futurama · Sun May 07, 2006 11:06 am

Magneto wrote:50 has jail records, has people co-signing he used to knock niiggas out, sold crack etc...

You being gangsta and having security has no correlation. It just means you're smart enough to know that bullets don't check your street cred before it enters your body. It'll just blow your head off your shoulders if you're not protected.

I know it's the in thing to diss 50 and all that, but dude's track record is well known. Nobody in Queens would front on his street cred. Not rap street cred either.

Jadakiss is an interesting case. Cause as far as rap he has a lot of street cred. But he's done nothing of what he raps.

hilarious comments now in BOLD

that's what I say... 50 Cent isn't fake, even if he's the new Ja Rule of rap now (in a way). He's just really greedy, and thinks that he needs to sing on all his hooks to get the female market too, cause G Unit has all the thugs of America trying to be the next them.... (got that?)

and Jadakiss, as a hustler, and as a rapper, has always been overrated to me. If he didn't have his Biggie affiliation, he'd almost be just another New York rapper.

The Game is the fakest gangsta on here. He sets up incidents, he fabricates and exaggerates, he fronts and he steals real hood fame. At least Prodigy has probably done a bit of crime to go along with his sonnings.

craig · Post by **craig** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:13 am

phila, you should start another thread that is the opposite of this one.

hip hop's realest rappers

Dids · Post by **Dids** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:27 am

With the caveat that I love his older work a whole fucking lot, and I don't think it really matters...

How the FUCK is Cube not on this list?

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Sun May 07, 2006 11:34 am

craig wrote:hey mag what exactly did 50 do to earn the snitch title?

Ghetto Qu'ran track is where it really stems from. Him being shot and that song seem to have a correlation. But like I said, if 50's a snitch then so is Nas, cause Nas was the first rapper mentioning Queens street figures in his rhymes like "The Supreme Team" and Pappy Mason back in 1993-1994.

And of course Styles P mentioning :

"The streets say 50, who shot ya
He named three niggas soon as he came out the doctor"

which is a response to the rhyme in the 50 Cent song "Fuck You" where 50 writes

"Get back to questions, like "50, who shot ya?...
You think it was Preme, Freeze or Tah, Tah?"
Nigga, street shit should stay in the street
So, keep it on the low
But everybody who's somebody already know"

Dids · Post by **Dids** » Sun May 07, 2006 12:12 pm

I love that it's somehow considered bitchmade to name the people who tried to kill you.

MGP · Post by **MGP** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:32 pm

Dids wrote:I love that it's somehow considered bitchmade to name the people who tried to kill you.

Well, in the streets it is.

In the streets of NY (and much of the East Coast), if someone tries to kill you there are only two courses of acceptable action:

1.) Find the mother-fucker who did it and kill them.

2.) Move away (like G. Rap did, LoL).

These are considered better than snitching for the following reasons:

1.) It gives police a reason to harass innocent blacks.

2.) Police are out to hurt/kill/destroy blacks so running to them for help is a contradiction.

3.) Going to the police will only get more of your family members hurt.

4.) Unless you're the victim of a random crime, if you get shot there is a reason for it. If the poice find out that reason, you can go to jail to.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. Police are powerless in many parts of NYC. There is nothing good that can come from their presence in places likes Browsville or Queensbridge. It's not like they want to clean up those streets anyway. It's just an invitation to get people's balls busted.

Mrblackwell · Post by **Mrblackwell** » Sun May 07, 2006 1:55 pm

Dids wrote:I love that it's somehow considered bitchmade to name the people who tried to kill you.

Seriously, soon people are going to start being called snitches for calling the fire department on a burning building or something

Mindbender Futurama · Post by **Mindbender Futurama** » Sun May 07, 2006 2:09 pm

MGP wrote:
Dids wrote:I love that it's somehow considered bitchmade to name the people who tried to kill you.
Well, in the streets it is.

In the streets of NY (and much of the East Coast), if someone tries to kill you there are only two courses of acceptable action:

1.) Find the mother-fucker who did it and kill them.

2.) Move away (like G. Rap did, LoL).

These are considered better than snitching for the following reasons:

1.) It gives police a reason to harass innocent blacks.

2.) Police are out to hurt/kill/destroy blacks so running to them for help is a contradiction.

3.) Going to the police will only get more of your family members hurt.

4.) Unless you're the victim of a random crime, if you get shot there is a reason for it. If the poice find out that reason, you can go to jail to.

I don't see what's so hard to understand about this. Police are powerless in many parts of NYC. There is nothing good that can come from their presence in places likes Browsville or Queensbridge. It's not like they want to clean up those streets anyway. It's just an invitation to get people's balls busted.

the man has a point
but still... let's try and come up with another term for it... cause 'snitching' to try and save your life (if you have no other options) isn't that weak.

but 50 Cent also had some sort of death wish, or at least death tease, after he got shot. He obviously was on some "every day I'm alive is a bonus cause I'm supposed to be dead from 9 gun shots" shit, so of course he's going to spit every verse like its his last, and "keep it real", and put his truth on wax... even if Murda Inc. calls him "Five-O" and 'Preme feels 50 is snitching

the laws of the concrete jungle are worse than hell on earth.

blessingindisguise · Post by **blessingindisguise** » Sun May 07, 2006 3:01 pm

and Jadakiss, as a hustler, and as a rapper, has always been overrated to me. If he didn't have his Biggie affiliation, he'd almost be just another New York rapper.

The Game is the fakest gangsta on here. He sets up incidents, he fabricates and exaggerates, he fronts and he steals real hood fame. At least Prodigy has probably done a bit of crime to go along with his sonnings.

You right bout Jada. He's so simplistic it makes me think how this nigga go platinum or is considered a complex lyricist by peeps.

The Game then moved some weight and done dirt. I know you hated him or was fixated(let's be real here Mindbender) but he not the FAKEST gangsta out there.

zygmontone · Post by **zygmontone** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:28 pm

Gregg Popabitch wrote:prodigy is my vote here.

CRASH DDZ · Post by **CRASH DDZ** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:33 pm

I don't care how real any of em are.. I voted Benz for fucking up the source with that bullshit.

The ILLatino · Post by **The ILLatino** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:34 pm

Definitely Prodigy.

Maybe there should be a "Softest Rappers" poll.

THE GOLDEN STRING · Post by **THE GOLDEN STRING** » Mon May 08, 2006 4:51 pm

Hip-Hop's phoniest gangsta
Ja Rule
25% [ 24 ]
Snoop Dogg
2% [ 2 ]
Fat Joe
0% [ 0 ]
Jim Jones
2% [ 2 ]
Benzino
6% [ 6 ]
The Game
10% [ 10 ]
T.I.
1% [ 1 ]
50 Cent
7% [ 7 ]
Prodigy
20% [ 19 ]
Mack 10
1% [ 1 ]
Yukmouth
1% [ 1 ]
Cam'Ron
5% [ 5 ]
Kurupt
1% [ 1 ]
Mr. Eon
15% [ 15 ]

Cash Rulz · Post by **Cash Rulz** » Tue May 09, 2006 11:29 am

From a few dudes I know down here in ATL, T.I. should not be on that list at all.

panthergod · Post by **panthergod** » Wed May 10, 2006 6:20 pm

For someone to put 50, TI and Benzino on a list of 'phoniest gangstas' you'd havce to be a crackhead. i mean really.

Slo · Post by **Slo** » Wed May 10, 2006 11:31 pm

Chance wrote:No Big L? I though he was widly considered the biggest studio gangsta ever?

But Big L wasn't a gangster rapper he was a regular rapper who spit hardcore rhymes. His street-cred was never a part of his schtick.

for the record:

Hardcore raps > Gangsta Raps

peace to Akinyele.