Vast Aire - Cage diss track

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:14 pm

Brougham33 wrote:
Employee wrote:As horrible a person as Vast most likely is, that entire post actually makes sense.
It makes sense in what way? I don't doubt that some of what he said may be true, and I don't know about the money owed...but calling out El-P for being a "producer" is stupid. He is the one putting the music out. It is his label and his direction, so why wouldn't he have considerable input. I still think Vordul was and could have been great, and Vast had his moments, but the reason the Cold Vein was a success was because of El-P. I'm guessing that always bothered Vast. So the only way that shit he wrote makes sense is that it does reaffirm how low, dellusional, and butt hurt Vast really is. Being a 30 year old washed up rapper airing out some trivial shit on myspace means you failed at life.

I'm sure Vast reeks of douche as a human. And yeah, El-P is basically one of the primary factors for The Cold Vein even being talked about in 2009. But if I can only judge someone from what I read on the internet, what is said in interviews and how they act on camera, than I'd put my money on EL-P being a megalomaniac control freak who probably isn't the funnest guy at the party. He's like the guy who would film the plastic bag floating around in the air.

wuk · Post by **wuk** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:33 pm

WHAT WENT DOWN WITH CAN OX'S 2ND RECORD?

To be real, we started that project, but vordul dropped the ball on that, vordul became very distant and was drunk and coked up all the time, he became this way after his jaw was broken in a bar fight that was ment for el-p. long story short, that helped wake up vorduls "dark side" and we only did like 5 songs.

that's fucked up, will killed can ox and turned vordul from jukie to junkie with one punch.

Haitian Jack · Post by **Haitian Jack** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:34 pm

wuk wrote:
WHAT WENT DOWN WITH CAN OX'S 2ND RECORD?

To be real, we started that project, but vordul dropped the ball on that, vordul became very distant and was drunk and coked up all the time, he became this way after his jaw was broken in a bar fight that was ment for el-p. long story short, that helped wake up vorduls "dark side" and we only did like 5 songs.
that's fucked up, will killed can ox and turned vordul from jukie to junkie with one punch.

i dunno bout that my dude. listen to painkillers again

dillinger · Post by **dillinger** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 2:51 pm

is this idiot still seriously recycling lines from the cold vein?

Mo Cheeks · Post by **Mo Cheeks** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:00 pm

Brougham33 wrote:
Employee wrote:As horrible a person as Vast most likely is, that entire post actually makes sense.
It makes sense in what way? I don't doubt that some of what he said may be true, and I don't know about the money owed...but calling out El-P for being a "producer" is stupid. He is the one putting the music out. It is his label and his direction, so why wouldn't he have considerable input. I still think Vordul was and could have been great, and Vast had his moments, but the reason the Cold Vein was a success was because of El-P. I'm guessing that always bothered Vast. So the only way that shit he wrote makes sense is that it does reaffirm how low, dellusional, and butt hurt Vast really is. Being a 30 year old washed up rapper airing out some trivial shit on myspace means you failed at life.

who would have thought that Brougham would come to the defense of El-p/Def Jux? Honestly dude, do you work for the label?

limelighter · Post by **limelighter** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:01 pm

if he really wants to diss cage he should've just covered a track from 'depart from me'

Mindbender Futurama · Post by **Mindbender Futurama** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 3:13 pm

everyone's ridiculoid personalities, delightful dysfunction and artistic imperfection is what makes each of these people amazing musical creators. The notorious "Box" was a mess, but it was one of the best times of my life to vibe there, and an honor to have been even a small a part of.

hopefully one day, in the far future, everyone can get together and dead the beef, cause its true that every one of these people is stronger and more successful when together than when separated.

EPMD reunited, Organized Konfusion got back together, and even the Hot Boys did.

peace to the Weathermen, Def Jux and Cannibal Ox, especially Vordul.

young god · Post by **young god** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 4:01 pm

Employee wrote: He's like the guy who would film the plastic bag floating around in the air.

Why did someone waste this beat on this song? It's really good, but sounds a lot like el-p.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:50 pm

This reminds me of the time A.C. and Zack got into a fight over who was bringing Lisa Turtle to the dance.

The Aluminum Falcon · Post by **The Aluminum Falcon** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:18 pm

Philaflava wrote:This reminds me of the time A.C. and Zack got into a fight over who was bringing Lisa Turtle to the dance.

The Afronaut · Post by **The Afronaut** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 6:59 pm

All and all though this blog makes WAY more sense than that "Cheap Shoots" one.

On a minor note...The idea that censorship "destroyed" the Smashy Trashy LP sticks out to me for some reason...seems an extreme way to look at that project.

DLG · Post by **DLG** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:15 pm

either way, smashy trashy is easily the most boring album def jux has ever release, and I think it has more to do with the fact that half the beats were dull and that camu can't carry all the songs, in other words, metro is one of the most generic and boring rappers I've ever heard.

AXEWOUNDFISTER · Post by **AXEWOUNDFISTER** » Sat Aug 08, 2009 8:25 pm

"your shit is emo,shit aint stright. you off my top 8"

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:27 pm

EL-P wrote: Monday, August 10, 2009

ok.
i have never wanted to participate in any sort of public ugliness with people i once considered friends. its negative and builds nothing. its only purpose is to hurt. its a shallow action. a desperate attempt to satisfy the ugliest parts of your ego. there is no example of me disparaging, insulting, blaming, defaming or casting doubt on anyones character who i've had any type of real love for and considered crew at one point no matter how things may have turned out... no matter what they may say about me or what i may think about them behind the scenes. for me, i always thought it made one look small and angry. i always felt like that type of public ranting and vitriol reflected failure, weakness, insecurity and pettiness and i've seriously regretted it when i've been involved in anything that resembles that, even peripherally. as good as it feels in the moment it almost always backfires. the same person who (non artistically) desperately seeks public affirmation of his anger and resentment ends up actually hurting himself more in the eyes of the strangers he's trying to communicate with. by the same token, defending yourself against that type of attack plays right in to the whole thing and immediately puts you on the same level as the person attacking you. beyond that the fact is that for me, the relationships that i've had in my life that have fallen apart make me sad, not angry. the friendships that have ended in my life are a source of huge regret for me and i constantly wonder if there was something i could have done to change the outcome. so i don't have it in me to kick and scream and curse the world for not handing me everything i think i deserve. i'll do that in my music, if need be. its better that way. that much i have learned.

I'm also not the type of person who feels like he's a victim of circumstance. every choice made along the line has different results. it seems irrational and immature to me to create a world in ones head in which somehow, magically, there is an external reason that justifies every single reality of your life... and not one of those reasons is you. a world in which you are just in every action and innocent in every interaction. a life in which you only consider and retain the ideas that justify your perspective and completely ignore all other realities that exist and might, if you took a moment to consider them, make any (rational) person think a little longer before they lashed out and tried to destroy some one else's character.

it takes a special type of ego to literally delude oneself in to thinking that you have the moral right of way in every scenario. it takes clinical insanity to think things are one way when in fact they are the opposite. for instance:

lets say (as a metaphor, of course) someone was morbidly obese but thought he was a ninja. that would be kind of crazy, wouldn't it? or if that morbidly obese person didn't make the connection between his eating habits and his weight. crazy. now if that same massively, morbidly obese person walked around calling people who were less than half his weight "fat", how should they react? on the one hand its obviously crazy for this hugely fat man to be calling you fat. but on the other hand he keeps fucking saying it. over and over. to anyone who will listen.

i've tried to ignore it. i've tried to squash it. i've tried to take the high road because i assumed that like me, everyone must have better things to occupy their time with. apparently not. every other day there is a new vitriolic rant aimed at dismantling me or someone i care about, despite the fact that i haven't fired one single shot in the direction they are coming from. not one.

now i don't have any interest in trying to make anyone see things the way i see them or arguing about/defending the past. i wont do the back and forth point by point defense with someone whos only path to generate any type of publicity for himself seems to be exactly that type of public argument. a person who literally is interviewing himself in order to push a smear campaign forward. a man who has made it his personal mission in life to focus all his energy on the very people who were close to the friend he claims to have loved with a constant barrage of misspelled and badly punctuated lies, insults, accusations, epithets, slander and threats. someone who seemingly has no humility or perspective on his own fallibility. someone whos anger has driven him to the edge of sanity. whos own life is seemingly so joyless and directionless that the only thing he can think to do is reach out and try and inflict pain.

and by the way, when i say "close to the friend he claims to have loved" i mean close. I'm talking that our lives will never be the same close. the real deal. the kind that comes with pain no one wants and that no one with a soul would brag about as though it were a credibility issue or as though love were something you had to prove as opposed to just feel. not the idea constructed to make you feel good about yourself or justify your perspective in the eyes of other people or yourself. friendship isn't the collective little favors you've done for someone that you keep record of and hold against them even after they die. its not a song you may have recorded with someone years ago and its not a conversation you may have had. its bigger than that.

its sad to me that you, and you know who you are, don't understand that. its painful to sit here and take your abuse knowing the true nature of your character and how utterly easy it would be to expose it. the temptation to publish certain correspondences you've been a part of is overwhelming. i have no doubt in my mind that any one who would see those would walk away from reading them with a very different perspective on your moral fiber and your character in general. a younger me would do it in a heartbeat. and yet what good would come out of it? what are we all trying to prove to each other? it would only lead to even more ranting, more insults and more bullshit. no one would learn a thing and i would have wasted another minute of my life.

and i don't hate you. i don't want to hurt or destroy you. you were my friend. i wanted you to succeed. now i just find you to be a sad character. twisted, angry and resentful and squandering your time on mean spirited pursuits. its depressing.

now i'm sure the person i'm writing this all about will just respond in his usual manner after reading this. denial, anger, threats, capital letters, misused question marks and exclamation points and more accusations. but i've got a suggestion for a better way to proceed... just let it go. you've gotten your rocks off. you've said your peace. now make some music. stop lecturing the world and contribute while you still have time. none of this shit means anything. at all. go make the art you believe in and spend not one more second trying to take other people down or blaming people for the place you find yourself in life. spend time with and cherish the people you love while they are still alive so you dont find yourself feeling like you have to defend the validity of your commitment to them after they're gone. be grateful for the things you have and wish no man harm. be happy or die trying. i know i will.

by the way if you truly did love Camu and were close to him then I'm sure you feel the same pain my friends and i do. if that really is the case then I'm sure the futility of arguing and fighting with people has never been more obvious to you. it is to me.

if you loved him then you are one of us... the heartbroken members of a club we never wanted to join... and I'm sorry for your loss.

el

ps: im not going to be approving comments about this blog. i didn't write it to rally people against anyone or to create "sides".

pps: this is the only thing i have to say and i wont engage in any more and i wont be leaving this blog up for long.
6:38 AM

Brougham33 · Post by **Brougham33** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:46 pm

Well put.

LoL at the obese ninja part.

Mindbender Futurama · Post by **Mindbender Futurama** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 6:22 pm

hopefully, 7 years from now, all this shit is ancient history, and cats start wanting to create music with each other again, like friends do.

we all fuck up. some more than others. it's nice to be able to forgive and move on at some point.

one love

Smitty · Post by **Smitty** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 8:47 pm

DLG wrote:either way, smashy trashy is easily the most boring album def jux has ever release, and I think it has more to do with the fact that half the beats were dull and that camu can't carry all the songs, in other words, metro is one of the most generic and boring rappers I've ever heard.

I always wondered what was wrong with me for loving Smashy Trashy.

Everyone I play it for loves it too. Its a great drinking album. Rowdy, raunchy, and ignorant fun.

Ah well. How am I gon' get home? Don't know.

Julius Seizure · Post by **Julius Seizure** » Mon Aug 10, 2009 9:03 pm

Employee wrote:
EL-P wrote: Monday, August 10, 2009

ok.
i have never wanted to participate in any sort of public ugliness with people i once considered friends. its negative and builds nothing. its only purpose is to hurt. its a shallow action. a desperate attempt to satisfy the ugliest parts of your ego. there is no example of me disparaging, insulting, blaming, defaming or casting doubt on anyones character who i've had any type of real love for and considered crew at one point no matter how things may have turned out... no matter what they may say about me or what i may think about them behind the scenes. for me, i always thought it made one look small and angry. i always felt like that type of public ranting and vitriol reflected failure, weakness, insecurity and pettiness and i've seriously regretted it when i've been involved in anything that resembles that, even peripherally. as good as it feels in the moment it almost always backfires. the same person who (non artistically) desperately seeks public affirmation of his anger and resentment ends up actually hurting himself more in the eyes of the strangers he's trying to communicate with. by the same token, defending yourself against that type of attack plays right in to the whole thing and immediately puts you on the same level as the person attacking you. beyond that the fact is that for me, the relationships that i've had in my life that have fallen apart make me sad, not angry. the friendships that have ended in my life are a source of huge regret for me and i constantly wonder if there was something i could have done to change the outcome. so i don't have it in me to kick and scream and curse the world for not handing me everything i think i deserve. i'll do that in my music, if need be. its better that way. that much i have learned.

I'm also not the type of person who feels like he's a victim of circumstance. every choice made along the line has different results. it seems irrational and immature to me to create a world in ones head in which somehow, magically, there is an external reason that justifies every single reality of your life... and not one of those reasons is you. a world in which you are just in every action and innocent in every interaction. a life in which you only consider and retain the ideas that justify your perspective and completely ignore all other realities that exist and might, if you took a moment to consider them, make any (rational) person think a little longer before they lashed out and tried to destroy some one else's character.

it takes a special type of ego to literally delude oneself in to thinking that you have the moral right of way in every scenario. it takes clinical insanity to think things are one way when in fact they are the opposite. for instance:

lets say (as a metaphor, of course) someone was morbidly obese but thought he was a ninja. that would be kind of crazy, wouldn't it? or if that morbidly obese person didn't make the connection between his eating habits and his weight. crazy. now if that same massively, morbidly obese person walked around calling people who were less than half his weight "fat", how should they react? on the one hand its obviously crazy for this hugely fat man to be calling you fat. but on the other hand he keeps fucking saying it. over and over. to anyone who will listen.

i've tried to ignore it. i've tried to squash it. i've tried to take the high road because i assumed that like me, everyone must have better things to occupy their time with. apparently not. every other day there is a new vitriolic rant aimed at dismantling me or someone i care about, despite the fact that i haven't fired one single shot in the direction they are coming from. not one.

now i don't have any interest in trying to make anyone see things the way i see them or arguing about/defending the past. i wont do the back and forth point by point defense with someone whos only path to generate any type of publicity for himself seems to be exactly that type of public argument. a person who literally is interviewing himself in order to push a smear campaign forward. a man who has made it his personal mission in life to focus all his energy on the very people who were close to the friend he claims to have loved with a constant barrage of misspelled and badly punctuated lies, insults, accusations, epithets, slander and threats. someone who seemingly has no humility or perspective on his own fallibility. someone whos anger has driven him to the edge of sanity. whos own life is seemingly so joyless and directionless that the only thing he can think to do is reach out and try and inflict pain.

and by the way, when i say "close to the friend he claims to have loved" i mean close. I'm talking that our lives will never be the same close. the real deal. the kind that comes with pain no one wants and that no one with a soul would brag about as though it were a credibility issue or as though love were something you had to prove as opposed to just feel. not the idea constructed to make you feel good about yourself or justify your perspective in the eyes of other people or yourself. friendship isn't the collective little favors you've done for someone that you keep record of and hold against them even after they die. its not a song you may have recorded with someone years ago and its not a conversation you may have had. its bigger than that.

its sad to me that you, and you know who you are, don't understand that. its painful to sit here and take your abuse knowing the true nature of your character and how utterly easy it would be to expose it. the temptation to publish certain correspondences you've been a part of is overwhelming. i have no doubt in my mind that any one who would see those would walk away from reading them with a very different perspective on your moral fiber and your character in general. a younger me would do it in a heartbeat. and yet what good would come out of it? what are we all trying to prove to each other? it would only lead to even more ranting, more insults and more bullshit. no one would learn a thing and i would have wasted another minute of my life.

and i don't hate you. i don't want to hurt or destroy you. you were my friend. i wanted you to succeed. now i just find you to be a sad character. twisted, angry and resentful and squandering your time on mean spirited pursuits. its depressing.

now i'm sure the person i'm writing this all about will just respond in his usual manner after reading this. denial, anger, threats, capital letters, misused question marks and exclamation points and more accusations. but i've got a suggestion for a better way to proceed... just let it go. you've gotten your rocks off. you've said your peace. now make some music. stop lecturing the world and contribute while you still have time. none of this shit means anything. at all. go make the art you believe in and spend not one more second trying to take other people down or blaming people for the place you find yourself in life. spend time with and cherish the people you love while they are still alive so you dont find yourself feeling like you have to defend the validity of your commitment to them after they're gone. be grateful for the things you have and wish no man harm. be happy or die trying. i know i will.

by the way if you truly did love Camu and were close to him then I'm sure you feel the same pain my friends and i do. if that really is the case then I'm sure the futility of arguing and fighting with people has never been more obvious to you. it is to me.

if you loved him then you are one of us... the heartbroken members of a club we never wanted to join... and I'm sorry for your loss.

el

ps: im not going to be approving comments about this blog. i didn't write it to rally people against anyone or to create "sides".

pps: this is the only thing i have to say and i wont engage in any more and i wont be leaving this blog up for long.
6:38 AM

Jaz · Post by **Jaz** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:42 am

Why are people hating on this track?, Vast sounds good and the beat is dope, although the horns seem a little out of place at times.

Reggie · Post by **Reggie** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:50 am

Honestly, I am surprised so many seem to be feeling Vast's verses. They are terrible and lazy like everything he's recorded in the last seven years. His thing used to be rapping homonyms, exposing the double entendres in words and phrases--pretty clever stuff, to an extent. Now, it's like he is reaching so far to make an allusion that the gimmick is lost.

"I heard transformers/Nah, transgender./'Cause he doesn't even know his own gender."

We heard you originally, the first time.

"He ain't a roughneck/He pussy like Kotex."

A line from 1987 that barely made sense back then.

Lyrically, this track is a real piece of shit. The beat is good, and sounds an awful lot like the production of a certain debut album...but that's neither here nor there. Vast should never have released this track. It sucks.

DLG · Post by **DLG** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:07 am

exactly what reggie said.

Vast was always borderlined cheesy, but his lines were clever and he had a certain charm about him, and when you coupled that kind of style with someone who spits really abstract (first time I heard vast was aesop's "attention span") and of course with vordul, it was really effective.

The fact that he is on his own and is lazy as fuck lyrically makes him downright unlistenable.

I wasn't able to get through any of his post CV albums, and I honestly tried.

Lid · Post by **Lid** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:26 am

DLG wrote:exactly what reggie said.

Vast was always borderlined cheesy, but his lines were clever and he had a certain charm about him, and when you coupled that kind of style with someone who spits really abstract (first time I heard vast was aesop's "attention span") and of course with vordul, it was really effective.

The fact that he is on his own and is lazy as fuck lyrically makes him downright unlistenable.

I wasn't able to get through any of his post CV albums, and I honestly tried.

in hindsight, his verse is extra gay because of the laziness/raps recycling

Seduce · Post by **Seduce** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 5:56 pm

"IF I DONT LIKE YOUR BEAT I DONT LIKE IT, YOU FUCKING EMO BITCH! "

Employee · Post by **Employee** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:06 pm

tehgiftofgab · Post by **tehgiftofgab** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:18 pm

Employee wrote:
EL-P wrote: Monday, August 10, 2009

ok.
i have never wanted to participate in any sort of public ugliness with people i once considered friends. its negative and builds nothing. its only purpose is to hurt. its a shallow action. a desperate attempt to satisfy the ugliest parts of your ego. there is no example of me disparaging, insulting, blaming, defaming or casting doubt on anyones character who i've had any type of real love for and considered crew at one point no matter how things may have turned out... no matter what they may say about me or what i may think about them behind the scenes. for me, i always thought it made one look small and angry. i always felt like that type of public ranting and vitriol reflected failure, weakness, insecurity and pettiness and i've seriously regretted it when i've been involved in anything that resembles that, even peripherally. as good as it feels in the moment it almost always backfires. the same person who (non artistically) desperately seeks public affirmation of his anger and resentment ends up actually hurting himself more in the eyes of the strangers he's trying to communicate with. by the same token, defending yourself against that type of attack plays right in to the whole thing and immediately puts you on the same level as the person attacking you. beyond that the fact is that for me, the relationships that i've had in my life that have fallen apart make me sad, not angry. the friendships that have ended in my life are a source of huge regret for me and i constantly wonder if there was something i could have done to change the outcome. so i don't have it in me to kick and scream and curse the world for not handing me everything i think i deserve. i'll do that in my music, if need be. its better that way. that much i have learned.

I'm also not the type of person who feels like he's a victim of circumstance. every choice made along the line has different results. it seems irrational and immature to me to create a world in ones head in which somehow, magically, there is an external reason that justifies every single reality of your life... and not one of those reasons is you. a world in which you are just in every action and innocent in every interaction. a life in which you only consider and retain the ideas that justify your perspective and completely ignore all other realities that exist and might, if you took a moment to consider them, make any (rational) person think a little longer before they lashed out and tried to destroy some one else's character.

it takes a special type of ego to literally delude oneself in to thinking that you have the moral right of way in every scenario. it takes clinical insanity to think things are one way when in fact they are the opposite. for instance:

lets say (as a metaphor, of course) someone was morbidly obese but thought he was a ninja. that would be kind of crazy, wouldn't it? or if that morbidly obese person didn't make the connection between his eating habits and his weight. crazy. now if that same massively, morbidly obese person walked around calling people who were less than half his weight "fat", how should they react? on the one hand its obviously crazy for this hugely fat man to be calling you fat. but on the other hand he keeps fucking saying it. over and over. to anyone who will listen.

i've tried to ignore it. i've tried to squash it. i've tried to take the high road because i assumed that like me, everyone must have better things to occupy their time with. apparently not. every other day there is a new vitriolic rant aimed at dismantling me or someone i care about, despite the fact that i haven't fired one single shot in the direction they are coming from. not one.

now i don't have any interest in trying to make anyone see things the way i see them or arguing about/defending the past. i wont do the back and forth point by point defense with someone whos only path to generate any type of publicity for himself seems to be exactly that type of public argument. a person who literally is interviewing himself in order to push a smear campaign forward. a man who has made it his personal mission in life to focus all his energy on the very people who were close to the friend he claims to have loved with a constant barrage of misspelled and badly punctuated lies, insults, accusations, epithets, slander and threats. someone who seemingly has no humility or perspective on his own fallibility. someone whos anger has driven him to the edge of sanity. whos own life is seemingly so joyless and directionless that the only thing he can think to do is reach out and try and inflict pain.

and by the way, when i say "close to the friend he claims to have loved" i mean close. I'm talking that our lives will never be the same close. the real deal. the kind that comes with pain no one wants and that no one with a soul would brag about as though it were a credibility issue or as though love were something you had to prove as opposed to just feel. not the idea constructed to make you feel good about yourself or justify your perspective in the eyes of other people or yourself. friendship isn't the collective little favors you've done for someone that you keep record of and hold against them even after they die. its not a song you may have recorded with someone years ago and its not a conversation you may have had. its bigger than that.

its sad to me that you, and you know who you are, don't understand that. its painful to sit here and take your abuse knowing the true nature of your character and how utterly easy it would be to expose it. the temptation to publish certain correspondences you've been a part of is overwhelming. i have no doubt in my mind that any one who would see those would walk away from reading them with a very different perspective on your moral fiber and your character in general. a younger me would do it in a heartbeat. and yet what good would come out of it? what are we all trying to prove to each other? it would only lead to even more ranting, more insults and more bullshit. no one would learn a thing and i would have wasted another minute of my life.

and i don't hate you. i don't want to hurt or destroy you. you were my friend. i wanted you to succeed. now i just find you to be a sad character. twisted, angry and resentful and squandering your time on mean spirited pursuits. its depressing.

now i'm sure the person i'm writing this all about will just respond in his usual manner after reading this. denial, anger, threats, capital letters, misused question marks and exclamation points and more accusations. but i've got a suggestion for a better way to proceed... just let it go. you've gotten your rocks off. you've said your peace. now make some music. stop lecturing the world and contribute while you still have time. none of this shit means anything. at all. go make the art you believe in and spend not one more second trying to take other people down or blaming people for the place you find yourself in life. spend time with and cherish the people you love while they are still alive so you dont find yourself feeling like you have to defend the validity of your commitment to them after they're gone. be grateful for the things you have and wish no man harm. be happy or die trying. i know i will.

by the way if you truly did love Camu and were close to him then I'm sure you feel the same pain my friends and i do. if that really is the case then I'm sure the futility of arguing and fighting with people has never been more obvious to you. it is to me.

if you loved him then you are one of us... the heartbroken members of a club we never wanted to join... and I'm sorry for your loss.

el

ps: im not going to be approving comments about this blog. i didn't write it to rally people against anyone or to create "sides".

pps: this is the only thing i have to say and i wont engage in any more and i wont be leaving this blog up for long.
6:38 AM

toooo long to read, can anyone give me the short version?

The Afronaut · Post by **The Afronaut** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:32 pm

He genuinely sounded like he didnt want to put Vast on blast and in a lot ways didnt, but still the overall feel was somewhat passive aggressive.

He did say he's not happy about the state of his & Vast's friendship and encouraged Vast to stop blogging and start making music again.

adwhizz · Post by **adwhizz** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 7:10 pm

It's not 2003 anymore

Piff Tannen · Post by **Piff Tannen** » Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:47 pm

yeah, this was wack, that beat deserves better bars on it

GhostDog · Post by **GhostDog** » Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:13 am

DLG wrote:exactly what reggie said.

Vast was always borderlined cheesy, but his lines were clever and he had a certain charm about him, and when you coupled that kind of style with someone who spits really abstract (first time I heard vast was aesop's "attention span") and of course with vordul, it was really effective.

The fact that he is on his own and is lazy as fuck lyrically makes him downright unlistenable.

I wasn't able to get through any of his post CV albums, and I honestly tried.

I agree. I haven't been able to get into any of his solo releases at all. I few dope tracks here and there, but I was never eager to listen to them again.

On the other hand, The Mighty Joseph project was dope as hell. Further proof Vast is most effective in a group.