Pharoahe Monch vs. GZA

whothefuckareyou · Post by **whothefuckareyou** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:05 pm

Loki wrote:so basically arguments for gza have come down to quantity over quality.

need i say more?

richard lamplighter wrote:grandmasters easily trumps what monche's done lately.

what the fuck is this cat talking about
grandmasters was garbage son

gza's sounded bored as fuck on the mic for years

next you gonna tell us that gza's guest verse's on the JMT songs were imspectabulous

liquid swords is a top 10 album of all time for me. but im sorry, as an emcee's emcee, pharoah is the best to ever do it. it's that simple. nobody's ever done what he's done how he's done it on the microphone. ever.
no need to get upset. grandmasters is my favorite album in recent years, you can call it trash all you want but you'll never take that opinion away from me and all the others who think it was a great album. i'd also put liquid swords above anything that monch has done. to each his own, both choices are logical.

HomieDontPlayDat · Post by **HomieDontPlayDat** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:11 pm

monch, by far.

i'm a gza fan, but to me monch is perhaps the best pure talent in hip hop.

Magneto · Post by **Magneto** » Tue May 08, 2007 6:59 pm

Monch but barely.

Moolah · Post by **Moolah** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:25 pm

MONCH

360 · Post by **360** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:54 pm

People are crazy for voting for GZA.

YouTube · Post by **Philaflava** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:04 pm

closest poll i think we've ever had with rappers.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue May 08, 2007 9:29 pm

richard lamplighter wrote: & icesickle is hilarious in this thread, trying to downplay the fuckin gza. i mean i get it man, you think what you think and all, but your opinions basically scream Never Hang Out With This Dude Ever. on a crusade against the gza, who the fuck does that?

I'm on a crusade against GZA cause I think he's gone downhill since Wu Tang Forever? I think Liquid Swords is better than Grandmasters too...

I'm such a firestarter. And why the fuck did you single me out? About a dozen people in this thread said the same things I did.

GZA's a top 30 MC, easy. But he's not as good as he once was; end of story son. It sounded like he was on nyquil all through Grandmasters. Monch, on his new mixtape and on his solo, was as good as he was in his prime. Monch also comes up with new styles each album, while GZA's still stuck doing relatively the same thing. Advantage Monch.

adverse · Post by **adverse** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:02 pm

Icesickle wrote:
I think Liquid Swords is better than Grandmasters too .

i know LS is better then grandmasters. i didnt know this was an argument

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:27 pm

adverse wrote:
Icesickle wrote:
I think Liquid Swords is better than Grandmasters too .
i know LS is better then grandmasters. i didnt know this was an argument

Sarcasm.

adverse · Post by **adverse** » Tue May 08, 2007 10:37 pm

Icesickle wrote:
adverse wrote:
Icesickle wrote:
I think Liquid Swords is better than Grandmasters too .
i know LS is better then grandmasters. i didnt know this was an argument
Sarcasm.

ah ok. nevermind.

Money Gripp · Post by **Money Gripp** » Tue May 08, 2007 11:49 pm

HomieDontPlayDat wrote:i'm a gza fan, but to me monch is perhaps the best pure talent in hip hop.

It's a tough call. GZA might have the better catalog, but he also has more material that is subpar.

It's really tough to compare them because Monch is a freak of nature. His talent/skill is superhuman. He is in the same category as Rakim, KRS, Kool G Rap, BDK and few others. Don't get me wrong - GZA is amazing at what he does, but he is a great craftsman who carefully honed his technique through years of hard work and dedication.

Pharoahe Monch simply does things that no one else can do.

richard lamplighter · Wed May 09, 2007 12:56 am

Money Gripp wrote:
HomieDontPlayDat wrote:i'm a gza fan, but to me monch is perhaps the best pure talent in hip hop.
It's a tough call. GZA might have the better catalog, but he also has more material that is subpar.

It's really tough to compare them because Monch is a freak of nature. His talent/skill is superhuman. He is in the same category as Rakim, KRS, Kool G Rap, BDK and few others. Don't get me wrong - GZA is amazing at what he does, but he is a great craftsman who carefully honed his technique through years of hard work and dedication.

Pharoahe Monch simply does things that no one else can do.

sure, but how much does he do it. which is really what it comes down to with this comparison.

& i'm not trying to say that grandmasters isn't gza that's lost a step. but that's some gza vs gza shit. comparing him to his work of old, yes, there's some falling off. comparing him to the rest of the rap world, including monche, he still rules. besides three songs, what has monche done? the more i think about it, the less the argument even makes sense. just the amount of quality material gza has produced over the years...trumps monche

Lush Won · Post by **Lush Won** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:13 am

monch

Mothership · Post by **Mothership** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:20 am

HomieDontPlayDat wrote:monch, by far.

i'm a gza fan, but to me monch is perhaps the best pure talent in hip hop.

Captin Planit · Post by **Captin Planit** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:37 am

Pre-emptive double strike.

Captin Planit · Post by **Captin Planit** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:38 am

Loki wrote:so basically arguments for gza have come down to quantity over quality.

need i say more?

richard lamplighter wrote:grandmasters easily trumps what monche's done lately.

what the fuck is this cat talking about
grandmasters was garbage son

gza's sounded bored as fuck on the mic for years

next you gonna tell us that gza's guest verse's on the JMT songs were imspectabulous

liquid swords is a top 10 album of all time for me. but im sorry, as an emcee's emcee, pharoah is the best to ever do it. it's that simple. nobody's ever done what he's done how he's done it on the microphone. ever.

God damn, you are fucking annoying.

People have different tastes. People picking Gza over Monch is not difficult to imagine.

But then again, I voted for him, too, so I guess us white folk simply can't get enough Pharoahe.

mud · Post by **mud** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:46 am

Loki wrote:
what has gza dropped in the last five years that even comes close to something like agent orange or desire or push?

Fame, All In Together Now, Autobio.

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:06 am

God damn, you are fucking annoying.

People have different tastes. People picking Gza over Monch is not difficult to imagine.

honestly, shut the fuck up.

i love it when fucking idiots like you iterate that people have different opinions and tastes like you're saying something that hasn't been said before, it really kills me.

Event · Post by **Event** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:17 am

i thought this was a no brainer... i am really surprised at how many ppl vote for gza

Weezy F's Babay · Post by **Weezy F's Babay** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:37 am

i cant decide...both too legendary

Captin Planit · Post by **Captin Planit** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:44 am

Loki wrote:
God damn, you are fucking annoying.

People have different tastes. People picking Gza over Monch is not difficult to imagine.
honestly, shut the fuck up.

i love it when fucking idiots like you iterate that people have different opinions and tastes like you're saying something that hasn't been said before, it really kills me.

Thank you, Professor Hip Hop.

Loki wrote:i thought kids here actually knew hip hop

Loki wrote:what the fuck is this cat talking about
grandmasters was garbage son

You must make friends very easily. There's better ways to get engaged in an argument.

It's just not that serious.

b0mbs_of_death · Post by **b0mbs_of_death** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:03 am

Liquid Swords and Grandmasters till get play. Monche not so much.

Warcolepsy · Post by **Warcolepsy** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:04 am

wow what a battle

Loki · Post by **Loki** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:04 am

You must make friends very easily. There's better ways to get engaged in an argument.

Ok Dr. behavioral psychology. You can save the "can't we all just get along" speech for the guy that's actually interested in online cameraderie on an online forum.

It's just not that serious.

I'll give you that, you're right. I'm just shocked at the amount of Wu dickriding on this board. It's like it doesn't matter what material a man drops; as long as he's a core Wu member, it's a classic.

Icesickle · Post by **Icesickle** » Wed May 09, 2007 11:27 am

I named my ferret Loki. RIP though, pour some liquor out for the dead homie.

Willie B · Post by **Willie B** » Wed May 09, 2007 12:39 pm

im trying to think of who is more overrated than pharaoh monch.
he just doesnt do it for me
cats be getting caught up with bells and whistles and shit.
edit:more than happy to break the tie.

HustleCrowe · Post by **HustleCrowe** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:11 pm

Event wrote:i thought this was a no brainer... i am really surprised at how many ppl vote for gza

why is it a No Brainer? GZA is a great rapper....... Monche does have a sick flow but he hasn't dropped anything since " Internal Affairs" and that was what 1999? 2000? And not only that GZA is apart of alot more classic songs and " Liquid Swords" .... c'mom man..... that's one of the illest rap albums period....

PF loves em some Monche I guess......

B. Ware tha Siniq · Post by **B. Ware tha Siniq** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:40 pm

HustleCrowe wrote:
Event wrote:i thought this was a no brainer... i am really surprised at how many ppl vote for gza
why is it a No Brainer? GZA is a great rapper....... Monche does have a sick flow but he hasn't dropped anything since " Internal Affairs" and that was what 1999? 2000? And not only that GZA is apart of alot more classic songs and " Liquid Swords" .... c'mom man..... that's one of the illest rap albums period....

PF loves em some Monche I guess......

basically. I think cats are getting too caught up in delivery in this poll. I mean I can see the argument for Pharoahe, but to deny that there is at least an equally valid argument for GZA is pretty dimwitted.

OK - OK 4/5
OK - Stress 4.5/5
OK - Equinox 3.5/5
Pharoahe Monch - IA 3.5/5

vs.

GZA - Words from the Genius 4.5/5
GZA - Liquid Swords 5/5
GZA - Beneath the Surface 3.5/5
GZA - LOTLS 3.5/5
GZA - Grandmasters 3.5/5
+
his verses on the Wu LPs.... fahgetaboutit

Just too much dope GZAness to deny in my book.

Willie B · Post by **Willie B** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:48 pm

B. Ware tha Siniq wrote:
basically. I think cats are getting too caught up in delivery in this poll.

Captin Planit · Post by **Captin Planit** » Wed May 09, 2007 1:52 pm

Exactly, Gza isn't just any members of Wu-Tang, he has more often than not been the best emcee of the squad, and he is arguably more consistent than Pharoahe.

But I'm caught up in delivery and consider Stress a top 5 record.